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10 Apr 2015 02:26

Canada at least heading in the right direction:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/news-sh ... pais-vasco

It was also based on the findings of the 2014 National Consultation on Doping in Canada, a report that found no culture of doping in cycling in the country.

Apparently nobody read the report because they did find doping "culture" including a former federation official selling PEDs.

They did not find US Postal/Festina, but c'mon... NO culture of doping?
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14 Apr 2015 09:41

Ok. I've been looking a lot for the Swedish medical company who allegedly tested EPO on the Swedish skiing national team in 1989 (the same company who offered it to the Danish cycling team). Have any of you got an idea which one it was? My main purpose is to look into the matter of Swedish skiers Gunde Swan and Torgny Mogren.
Perhaps I should give Christer Majbäck a call.
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14 Apr 2015 10:16

Libertine Seguros wrote:Don't do it, blackcat. There's only one glorious emerald green dope frenzy kit.



Or even
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22 Apr 2015 16:15

I have a question that doesn't truly deserve its own thread, but does require more historical knowledge base than I have. Recently on my trip to France I found myself reading L'Equipe among other pubs to help me refresh my French (stupid sports idioms are so fun and universal!), and there was an article that basically talked about how FDJ has done nothing in 2015. Is it your clinical opinion that this "lovable loser" status is come by honestly, or are FDJ just bad at doping AND bicycle racings? I want to like FDJ either way--despite their hideous white bibs--but would appreciate any input on their personnel and impressions of where they stand in the doping arms race--thanks, and if I missed the apropos thread, please mods, move at will!!
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23 Apr 2015 06:15

skippythepinhead wrote:I have a question that doesn't truly deserve its own thread, but does require more historical knowledge base than I have. Recently on my trip to France I found myself reading L'Equipe among other pubs to help me refresh my French (stupid sports idioms are so fun and universal!), and there was an article that basically talked about how FDJ has done nothing in 2015. Is it your clinical opinion that this "lovable loser" status is come by honestly, or are FDJ just bad at doping AND bicycle racings? I want to like FDJ either way--despite their hideous white bibs--but would appreciate any input on their personnel and impressions of where they stand in the doping arms race--thanks, and if I missed the apropos thread, please mods, move at will!!

I'd start with http://www.dopeology.org
you can search teams and individuals.
while the FDJ doping and scandals listed there relate to pre-2013, suffice it to note that Marc Madiot is still the team manager.
Maybe somebody else can fill us in on who the current FDJ doctors are. I can't find it on their website.
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23 Apr 2015 07:02

skippythepinhead wrote:I have a question that doesn't truly deserve its own thread, but does require more historical knowledge base than I have. Recently on my trip to France I found myself reading L'Equipe among other pubs to help me refresh my French (stupid sports idioms are so fun and universal!), and there was an article that basically talked about how FDJ has done nothing in 2015. Is it your clinical opinion that this "lovable loser" status is come by honestly, or are FDJ just bad at doping AND bicycle racings? I want to like FDJ either way--despite their hideous white bibs--but would appreciate any input on their personnel and impressions of where they stand in the doping arms race--thanks, and if I missed the apropos thread, please mods, move at will!!


they need more talent and more dope and a good doctor
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23 Apr 2015 07:12

Back in 2010 they (as a team) ranked 3th from the bottom on the Uci suspicion list..
It certainly was a french-friendly list...

Cofidis
BB Telecom
FDJ
AG2R
Garmin
Cervelo
Footon-Servetto
Rabobank
Liquigas
Sky
Milram
Saxo Bank
Euskatel
Katusha
Lampre
Quick Step
Omega-Lotto
HTC-Columbia
BMC
Caisse d'Epargne
Astana
RadioShack

What they are doing today I don't know, but I find it interesting and certainly worth a discussion and some digging (for better or worse)...

A little quote from Madiot in the wake of CIRC report for starters:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/03/09/uk-cycling-report-madiot-idUKKBN0M529B20150309

“I’m not interested in the report, I’m interested in what is going to be done afterwards. I mean right now. In this report there are many things we already knew. The most important is what is going to be proposed and that is where I expect a lot from the UCI and Cookson.”

Among the CIRC recommendations was that the UCI should make more use of an article in its anti-doping regulations stating that in case of strong suspicion a rider can be tested outside the 6am-11pm window. “I heard that. Why not?,” said Madiot. “Simple things can be done: first off, a rider should not have access to his biological passport.” The biological passport, launched in 2008, is a record for riders, in which profiles of biological markers of doping and results of doping tests are collated over a period of time. It helps the authorities detect abnormal values to a rider’s blood data. “You should not give a rider his passport so he can’t be tempted to re-balance his blood data,” Madiot explained.

The CIRC report showed that riders would abuse corticoids by requesting – and easily getting Therapeutical Use Exemptions (TUE).

Corticoids are an anti-inflammatory drug that are allowed out of competition but forbidden during competitions unless a rider is granted a TUE. “The corticoids? You just have to say ‘stop’, it costs nothing. If a rider is ill and needs corticoids, you just tell him to rest and get treated. You don’t race if you’re sick or injured,” said Madiot. “End the use of corticoids, night-time testing, not giving a rider access to his passport. These are easy measures that cost nothing. “You should also ban those doctors who have been involved in doping scandals and continue to work with teams, and force riders to race instead of disappearing from the team environment for three months,” he added.


I think it is powerful things to say (compared to what other have said), because he knows he can be hold accountable to them when it comes to his own team...

Btw wasn't there something about french teams being on the worse end wrt to TUE's ?
Dont remember where I have that from...
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23 Apr 2015 07:48

But still Madiot was arrested in 1998 and supposedly admitted to turning the blind eye to doping...

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1309&dat=19981004&id=m1ZIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uRQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4024,3498628&hl=en

One can only hope he had a change of heart since...

He is also on record in 2012 for saying that:

"History will show cycling at two speeds"

http://europeandaily.com/sport/2012/10/03/cycling-ready-clean-its-act
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23 Apr 2015 08:47

good stuff mrhender.
still don't know who the docs are.
although, if i'm not mistaken, Gerard Guillaume (ex-Festina) is one.
This article presents him as one of a very select few cycling docs who refused to dope their riders.
http://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Frue89.nouvelobs.com%2Frue89-sport%2F2013%2F07%2F20%2Ftour-france-medecins-dequipe-refusent-dopage-244219&ei=07A4VZ_8A4GzsQH20oDQBw&usg=AFQjCNG0vkBljB6cOtJHPIK8_dN5D2uAcw&sig2=Tt3iIFdXxwrOdGemhfeYhQ
Prentice Steffen and Edwin Achtenberg are the other two mentioned in the article as clean docs.
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23 Apr 2015 10:20

Thanks all--great stuff, as always!
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24 Apr 2015 09:04

http://news80.com/dz/2015/04/23/424089/

Hichem Chaabane (Algerie) suspended after positive.
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24 Apr 2015 11:32

After being Mr. anonymous in Amissa Bongo he got 7 wins in March...
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28 Apr 2015 10:06

https://twitter.com/ProCyclingStats/status/592607609544417280

"Rumors two more African cyclists tested positive on doping. Names unknown yet"
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29 Apr 2015 02:31

Oscar Sevilla takes 2nd in the Vuelta Mexico on the same day as Davide Rebellin wins summit finish at the Tour of Turkey.

What year is this?
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29 Apr 2015 18:16

Haha. I had no idea Sevilla was still even in this sport!
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05 May 2015 15:36

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08 May 2015 20:40

Rasmus Staghøj ‏@Staghoj 1 min.1 minut siden
Lotto-Jumbos George Bennett er blevet målt med for lavt cortisol-niveau, og starter ikke i Giro d'Italia i morgen alligevel. #girotv2


According to danish journalist Rasmus Staghøj George Bennet From Lotto-Jumbo will not start the Giro tomorrow due to low cortisol-levels under the MPCC rule-set...

Edit:
New link:
http://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/66298/lage-cortisolwaarde-houdt-bennett-lottonl-jumbo-uit-giro.html
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08 May 2015 23:34

Is this Bennett guy part of the new clean era with Zakharin?
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09 May 2015 05:12

Moose McKnuckles wrote:Is this Bennett guy part of the new clean era with Zakharin?


I trust Bennett way more than Zakharin. much more
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09 May 2015 05:47

Obviously Henderson will keep his mouth shut on this one...
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