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14 Feb 2018 20:37

Oude Geuze wrote:@Kokoso: Discgear, wrote: “The heat is on. Norwegian TV reveals that the Norwegian medical team has brought – apart from a truckload of asthma medication earlier mentioned – the dynamite drugs Kenacort and Celeston to the Olympics.”

Amongst others if you “read properly” ;)

I know Dicgear wrote that; so again - nobody ciriticized bringing it to the competition. You've missed the point completely. You've wrote nothing knew; everybody here knows it's useful medication. Even Discgear wrote this: "Celeston is normally just used for tendons, bursals and joints."

What we are criticizing is retroactive TUE based on the athletes decision and using in in the competition, because it's not only medication, but PED too.

So read properly before making conclusions. You seem not bothering understanding what others have written at all. This time you've decided not to react at the point at all, ridiculous.
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Re:

15 Feb 2018 08:05

Discgear wrote:
Discgear wrote:The heat is on. Norwegian TV reveals that the Norwegian medical team has brought – apart from a truckload of asthma medication earlier mentioned – the dynamite drugs Kenacort and Celeston to the Olympics. The medical leader Mona Kjeldsberg comforts that generally speaking its not used that much by their athletes. https://www.tv2.no/sport/9669801/

Sorry for quoting myself, but this article actually is quite disturbing and sensational. It opens up a worm hole of thoughts concerning the way TUEs are handled. Kenacort and Celeston were drugs central in the Wiggins scandal and Kenacort was found in Armstrong positives. Michael Rasmussen is quoted saying: Those are monsterdopes in terms of performance enhancing. He continues: Celeston is as powerful as Kenacort. It was used a lot both at Rabobank and CSC. Both Kenacort and Celeston are frequently used as performance enhancing drugs in cycling.

The article quotes another three bicyclists and dopers all witnessing about the enormous effects with the drugs, putting both Testosteron and EPO in the shadows.

Now to the sensational part where the head of the Norwegian medical team, Mona Kjeldsberg, between the lines reveals quite a lot. She defends use of the drugs because they can be used for allergic reactions, and Tendinitis. She also talks about putting a syringe in the muscles with a TUE granted by IOC or ADAMS. She continues to say that the drugs generally speaking are not used that much by their athletes and points out: Celeston is normally just used for tendons, bursals and joints. When asked if the athletes have had TUEs in competitions the last years she’s silent due to professional secrecy.

I find it truly incredible that it is allowed to compete with such drugs in the body just if you have a TUE. When you know how wide the conscience in the Norwegian medical team is (calling 15000 microgram of Salbutamol normal and just a mistake not asking for a TUE, handing out Clostebol to treat lips, putting a smorgasbord with asthma medication free to use without a prescription in the wax trailer, bringing 10 Nebulizers to the Olympics), this article – as said – opens up a worm hole with nasty questions.

Part III:
Some hours ago, there was a follow up article by Norwegian television. https://www.tv2.no/a/9678376 They asked Monica Kjeldsberg from Olympiatoppen, head of the Norwegian Medical team:
Have any athletes had TUEs to use the drugs [Kenacort and Celeston] in competition, either in these games or former competitions? We are not asking for names.
She answered that she can’t answer due to professional secrecy.

On a direct question from TV2, The Norwegian Directorate of Health answers that professional secrecy is no obstacle when there’s no possibility to identify single athletes.
Since there is over 100 athletes in this troop, and in addition many hundred more included in the questions “former competition”, its not possible to identify single athletes.

To be continued….
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Re: Re:

15 Feb 2018 08:13

Discgear wrote:
Discgear wrote:
Discgear wrote:The heat is on. Norwegian TV reveals that the Norwegian medical team has brought – apart from a truckload of asthma medication earlier mentioned – the dynamite drugs Kenacort and Celeston to the Olympics. The medical leader Mona Kjeldsberg comforts that generally speaking its not used that much by their athletes. https://www.tv2.no/sport/9669801/

Sorry for quoting myself, but this article actually is quite disturbing and sensational. It opens up a worm hole of thoughts concerning the way TUEs are handled. Kenacort and Celeston were drugs central in the Wiggins scandal and Kenacort was found in Armstrong positives. Michael Rasmussen is quoted saying: Those are monsterdopes in terms of performance enhancing. He continues: Celeston is as powerful as Kenacort. It was used a lot both at Rabobank and CSC. Both Kenacort and Celeston are frequently used as performance enhancing drugs in cycling.

The article quotes another three bicyclists and dopers all witnessing about the enormous effects with the drugs, putting both Testosteron and EPO in the shadows.

Now to the sensational part where the head of the Norwegian medical team, Mona Kjeldsberg, between the lines reveals quite a lot. She defends use of the drugs because they can be used for allergic reactions, and Tendinitis. She also talks about putting a syringe in the muscles with a TUE granted by IOC or ADAMS. She continues to say that the drugs generally speaking are not used that much by their athletes and points out: Celeston is normally just used for tendons, bursals and joints. When asked if the athletes have had TUEs in competitions the last years she’s silent due to professional secrecy.

I find it truly incredible that it is allowed to compete with such drugs in the body just if you have a TUE. When you know how wide the conscience in the Norwegian medical team is (calling 15000 microgram of Salbutamol normal and just a mistake not asking for a TUE, handing out Clostebol to treat lips, putting a smorgasbord with asthma medication free to use without a prescription in the wax trailer, bringing 10 Nebulizers to the Olympics), this article – as said – opens up a worm hole with nasty questions.

Part III:
Some hours ago, there was a follow up article by Norwegian television. https://www.tv2.no/a/9678376 They asked Monica Kjeldsberg from Olympiatoppen, head of the Norwegian Medical team:
Have any athletes had TUEs to use the drugs [Kenacort and Celeston] in competition, either in these games or former competitions? We are not asking for names.
She answered that she can’t answer due to professional secrecy.

On a direct question from TV2, The Norwegian Directorate of Health answers that professional secrecy is no obstacle when there’s no possibility to identify single athletes.
Since there is over 100 athletes in this troop, and in addition many hundred more included in the questions “former competition”, its not possible to identify single athletes.

To be continued….

thanks for the info.

you think journos will start asking questions about this apparent contradiction between those two statements?

also, any news on the swedish skiers with dubious blood values?
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15 Feb 2018 08:41

Not any new info bout the two Swedish skiers. In my opinion it concerns two skiers now active in the Ski Classics. The chart in the documentary indicated the 2003 WC. JB was triple bronze medalist.
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Re: Doping in XC skiing

15 Feb 2018 19:27

Whatever asthma the swedish biathletes got on the flight to South Korea, I want it too. I can't be the only one who finds these results a tiny bit suspicious
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Re: Re:

Today 11:51

Kokoso wrote:
Oude Geuze wrote:@Kokoso: Discgear, wrote: “The heat is on. Norwegian TV reveals that the Norwegian medical team has brought – apart from a truckload of asthma medication earlier mentioned – the dynamite drugs Kenacort and Celeston to the Olympics.”

Amongst others if you “read properly” ;)

I know Dicgear wrote that; so again - nobody ciriticized bringing it to the competition. You've missed the point completely. You've wrote nothing knew; everybody here knows it's useful medication. Even Discgear wrote this: "Celeston is normally just used for tendons, bursals and joints."

What we are criticizing is retroactive TUE based on the athletes decision and using in in the competition, because it's not only medication, but PED too.

So read properly before making conclusions. You seem not bothering understanding what others have written at all. This time you've decided not to react at the point at all, ridiculous.


Hilarious:)
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