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30 Dec 2017 19:16

Cloxxki wrote:If I remember correctly, Sundy self-diagnosed (and actively broadcasted) his asthma. But, cotnrary to popular Norwegian tradition, actually not a TUE for it. Dosed via state doctor supplied, waxing truck installed vaporizer, roughly (conservatively) 10-20x the typical dosage, daily. And doesn't miss a race over it.
But if you're Russian, you're banned by default. What do you expect, being Russian and all?

Segey Ustyugov (among many others) says hello.

Enough for the nonsense. :D :D :D

P.S. You've missed someting for sure...
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Re: Doping in XC skiing

30 Dec 2017 19:18

Oude Geuze wrote:


Wow, that’s basically the entire Russian xc team, it’s so insane. Has something like this ever happened before? It came close with the finish skiers, and Austrians were also caught in a major way as I remember, but this seems to be an unprecedented scale?

Well, no other nation was investigated this way, so you can' really know wheter or not this happened before.
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31 Dec 2017 00:04

Sergey Ustiugov won the opening sprint stage of Tour de Ski today, but he didn't seem very pleased when interviewed, can anyone translate what he said?

The interview is @ 1h21m52s:
https://youtu.be/oyEPFRZFr_E?t=1h21m52s
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Re: Re:

31 Dec 2017 10:39

Kokoso wrote:
Cloxxki wrote:If I remember correctly, Sundy self-diagnosed (and actively broadcasted) his asthma. But, cotnrary to popular Norwegian tradition, actually not a TUE for it. Dosed via state doctor supplied, waxing truck installed vaporizer, roughly (conservatively) 10-20x the typical dosage, daily. And doesn't miss a race over it.
But if you're Russian, you're banned by default. What do you expect, being Russian and all?

Segey Ustyugov (among many others) says hello.

Enough for the nonsense. :D :D :D

P.S. You've missed someting for sure...


The Russians looking bad does not make the Norwegians look better. Nebulizers, asthma medicine, the pointing of fingers at others and then the Johaug and Sunby cases. None of it is good.
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Re: Re:

31 Dec 2017 10:49

Blaaswix wrote:
Kokoso wrote:
Cloxxki wrote:If I remember correctly, Sundy self-diagnosed (and actively broadcasted) his asthma. But, cotnrary to popular Norwegian tradition, actually not a TUE for it. Dosed via state doctor supplied, waxing truck installed vaporizer, roughly (conservatively) 10-20x the typical dosage, daily. And doesn't miss a race over it.
But if you're Russian, you're banned by default. What do you expect, being Russian and all?

Segey Ustyugov (among many others) says hello.

Enough for the nonsense. :D :D :D

P.S. You've missed someting for sure...


The Russians looking bad does not make the Norwegians look better. Nebulizers, asthma medicine, the pointing of fingers at others and then the Johaug and Sunby cases. None of it is good.


High blood values, altitude tents, Ferrari, sudden increase in form (2002 Olympics, 2003 World's...).
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Re: Re:

31 Dec 2017 11:38

Blaaswix wrote:
Kokoso wrote:
Cloxxki wrote:If I remember correctly, Sundy self-diagnosed (and actively broadcasted) his asthma. But, cotnrary to popular Norwegian tradition, actually not a TUE for it. Dosed via state doctor supplied, waxing truck installed vaporizer, roughly (conservatively) 10-20x the typical dosage, daily. And doesn't miss a race over it.
But if you're Russian, you're banned by default. What do you expect, being Russian and all?

Segey Ustyugov (among many others) says hello.

Enough for the nonsense. :D :D :D

P.S. You've missed someting for sure...


The Russians looking bad does not make the Norwegians look better.

Nobody says it does. Have you even bother to read and get context? Because your reaction is of the way.
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31 Dec 2017 11:41

BullsFan22 wrote:
Blaaswix wrote:
Kokoso wrote:
Cloxxki wrote:If I remember correctly, Sundy self-diagnosed (and actively broadcasted) his asthma. But, cotnrary to popular Norwegian tradition, actually not a TUE for it. Dosed via state doctor supplied, waxing truck installed vaporizer, roughly (conservatively) 10-20x the typical dosage, daily. And doesn't miss a race over it.
But if you're Russian, you're banned by default. What do you expect, being Russian and all?

Segey Ustyugov (among many others) says hello.

Enough for the nonsense. :D :D :D

P.S. You've missed someting for sure...


The Russians looking bad does not make the Norwegians look better. Nebulizers, asthma medicine, the pointing of fingers at others and then the Johaug and Sunby cases. None of it is good.


High blood values, altitude tents, Ferrari, sudden increase in form (2002 Olympics, 2003 World's...).

Another one who doesn't bother to get the context. Or, more likely, I guess you both do (get the context and know your reaction is outside the point) but chose to pretend not to and rather look stupid. Well, it's your choice :)
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31 Dec 2017 12:53

Kokoso wrote:
BullsFan22 wrote:
Blaaswix wrote:
Kokoso wrote:
Cloxxki wrote:If I remember correctly, Sundy self-diagnosed (and actively broadcasted) his asthma. But, cotnrary to popular Norwegian tradition, actually not a TUE for it. Dosed via state doctor supplied, waxing truck installed vaporizer, roughly (conservatively) 10-20x the typical dosage, daily. And doesn't miss a race over it.
But if you're Russian, you're banned by default. What do you expect, being Russian and all?

Segey Ustyugov (among many others) says hello.

Enough for the nonsense. :D :D :D

P.S. You've missed someting for sure...


The Russians looking bad does not make the Norwegians look better. Nebulizers, asthma medicine, the pointing of fingers at others and then the Johaug and Sunby cases. None of it is good.


High blood values, altitude tents, Ferrari, sudden increase in form (2002 Olympics, 2003 World's...).

Another one who doesn't bother to get the context. Or, more likely, I guess you both do (get the context and know your reaction is outside the point) but chose to pretend not to and rather look stupid. Well, it's your choice :)


Can you explain?
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31 Dec 2017 13:36

The Russians looking bad does not make the Norwegians look better.

Nobody says it does. Have you even bother to read and get context? Because your reaction is of the way.

Here's the thing: If you're going to have 'context' then everybody has to have the same allowance for 'context'. Without going through the whole of last season again, you can't make excuses for one country's athletes and not another's.
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Re:

01 Jan 2018 11:03

Lequack wrote:Sergey Ustiugov won the opening sprint stage of Tour de Ski today, but he didn't seem very pleased when interviewed, can anyone translate what he said?

The interview is @ 1h21m52s:
https://youtu.be/oyEPFRZFr_E?t=1h21m52s


My feelings? I am very happy to win today, but you know what circumstances we have around cross-country skiing of our country (he means all that Rodchenkov / Maclaren thing). We have to go out to the start and fight to the end and win, try, struggle to.
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Re: Doping in XC skiing

01 Jan 2018 11:06

Kokoso wrote:Regarding Russia, we have actually seen hard evidence.


Langley-made Iraq WMD type of evidence.

What evidence have you actually seen about Kriukov?
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01 Jan 2018 11:27

Yuri Kaminskiy started to train Nikita in regular school, when Nikita was 7 and brought him to Olympic victory. Later Kaminskiy trained Panzhinskiy (Olympic silver) and Petukhov (World gold) and some others. Not a single athlete from Kaminskiy was ever tested positive.

It's a known fact that Rodchenkov was selling doping for years. Rodchenkov (after hiding canadian Ben Johnson stanozolol positive test in 1986 and also after working in Canada's Calgary anti-doping center), as a WADA approved specialist, was running anti-doping seminar for Russia's ski team and after the end approached Kaminskiy and offered him to put skiers on a doping. Kaminskiy told Rodchenkov to go to hell.

There is no even a single so-called "evidence" (test tube scratches, any issues with the urine samples) against Kruikov but his surname in a "Dushes list" which has no evidence of its authenticity itself.

Only liers and politically-motivated or anti-russian nazionalist scoundrels could see "evidence" in, for instance, Kriukov's case and could not see villainy of US-orchestrated (and their Czech / Canadian / ... altar-boys) fake setup.
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02 Jan 2018 22:32

Damn, this place is becoming a bit too Illuminati for my taste, maybe take your theories to a flat earth society or something... You’re saying that political motives drove the doping agencies to conspire with Rodchenkov to defect with fabricated evidence, then tamper with the corresponding b-sample urin cups creating scratch marks to make it look like someone broke in to them, and filled them with table salt and female urin with a weighted specific gravity equal to the a sample.
Why not just say you found epo or exogenous testosterone in all the Russian athletes urin samples? Why make it so elaborate? If you believe the system is corrupt at this level, why do we even care about doping tests? Because at that point, nothing is relevant, nothing is true, and reality is is more subjective than a Trump-tweet.

And wtf does WMD in Iraq from 2001 have ANYTHING to do with this? I mean seriously, are you guys for real or is this just trolling?
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Re:

04 Jan 2018 07:45

Oude Geuze wrote:maybe take your theories to a flat earth society or something...

You are the last person I gonna ask what to take and where. Don't tell me what to do, I won't tell you where to go with your advices.

Answering questions by throwing in other questions is definitely trolling. So before asking questions answer what are the evidences against Nikita Kriukov?
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04 Jan 2018 19:30

To pour a bit more oil in the fire - wtf is going on with Shipulin's sister at the moment? On the best way to defend her Olympic title again (in this form i can't see past her). Doesn't matter that she wasn't seen all the 4 years in between. Who needs competition anyway? Also the whole doing her own thing and not training with the rest of the team is a bit odd, but of course no evidence in it self.
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04 Jan 2018 19:50

kuzmina?? do we have the riis of biahtlon?
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Re: Doping in XC skiing

04 Jan 2018 21:06

She had a daughter in July 2015.

But yeah, her current skiing performances are a bit too good right now.
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Re: Doping in XC skiing

06 Jan 2018 21:29

I remember Gunda Niemann (speed skating) came back pretty fit after giving birth.

Did you guys her the Tour de Ski men's Stage 6 commentary on British Eurosport? Sundy got at least mentioned for his salbutamol scandal twice. Did our emails get heard? :-)
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07 Jan 2018 11:33

How clean is Martin Fourcade?
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Re: Doping in XC skiing

07 Jan 2018 17:30

Cloxxki wrote:Did you guys her the Tour de Ski men's Stage 6 commentary on British Eurosport? Sundy got at least mentioned for his salbutamol scandal twice. Did our emails get heard? :-)

Wow, even the beloved Denise Herrmann gets a doping shoutout to open the Oberhof Sprint footage!
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