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12 Dec 2017 21:54

GW501516 a substance that is an actual real life version of the thought experiment.

Is winning a few years of glory, worth (likely) dying for, a few years afterwards.
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

12 Dec 2017 22:53

Unbelievable, another one goes through all the stages and hits the jackpot!

After laughing for 30 minutes, I can only feel sorry for this guy and the others who do this stuff and only hope they can at some point resume a normal, productive life. As for all those guys who get so pissed off over this stuff, maybe you need to stop and look at where you are. It's a disease.
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

12 Dec 2017 22:56

Pontiac wrote:Unbelievable, another one goes through all the stages and hits the jackpot!

After laughing for 30 minutes, I can only feel sorry for this guy and the others who do this stuff and only hope they can at some point resume a normal, productive life. As for all those guys who get so pissed off over this stuff, maybe you need to stop and look at where you are. It's a disease.

This is why I like the Euro based pros coming home over the Australian summer - it reminds people where they really sit in the bigger picture.
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

13 Dec 2017 18:48

42x16ss wrote:
Pontiac wrote:Unbelievable, another one goes through all the stages and hits the jackpot!

After laughing for 30 minutes, I can only feel sorry for this guy and the others who do this stuff and only hope they can at some point resume a normal, productive life. As for all those guys who get so pissed off over this stuff, maybe you need to stop and look at where you are. It's a disease.

This is why I like the Euro based pros coming home over the Australian summer - it reminds people where they really sit in the bigger picture.
I saw this genuine anguish one year at the North American Masters Road Championships. A 50-something racer beside me said to a fellow competitor, "At home I'm a god; here I'm a nobody." I hope his ego healed...
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18 Apr 2018 14:29

Pontiac wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
Pontiac wrote:The stages of being a masters racer.
1. It's so awesome to be fit again. This is making my family and work life better, I've got more energy, etc. So what if it costs some money?
2. Winning again is the best! All my racing peers are telling how awesome I am! Even though no one at home or work gives a ****, it's important to me. Yeah, so it takes some time and money, but it's all good stuff, etc.
3. Now I win all the time! I'm such a stud or at least that's what all my racing peers are saying, including a bunch of them that are getting divorced or lost their jobs. Nah, can't have anything to do with the racing. I plan all my family vacations and work time around training and racing, no way it is affecting that though.
4. Man, this is getting to be a lot of work to keep winning all the time! Ok, so we got a few guys exhibiting some roid rage in the races. This is all still good for me right? I'm not getting carried away with it like some of these guys or am I?
5. A few guys busted for doping and more roid rage incidents.....damn, these are some sick puppies....do I really want to be spending my weekends with guys like this?
6. I'm lucky that I have a great spouse and kids and a great job or business, I need to spend my time efforts with them, not these idiots. I can stay fit without all this BS on a lot less time and a lot less money than the 20 hrs a week and the $10-$15k a year.

I guess it was my mid life crisis, how else can you look at it? My wife jokes at least I wasn't out at the bars all those years I was doing masters racing!


Awesome post!!

As someone who's probably just in stage 2 but with thoughts already turning towards stage 6, i think seeing it written down in black and white like this reaffirms the growing feeling i've been having for the last few months that i really don't need to to travel through stages 3,4 and 5 before finally settling down happily to see out my years enjoying riding loops around stage 6.

Thanks :)


You are welcome!

Congrats on being at stage 2, but believe me going through the rest of it is really a matter of what your genetics are, not much else. It was fine being a kid and having the competitive drive and the genetics to succeed at the sport, but as an old guy it's a curse. A part of me envies those guys who can stay at stage 1 or 2 and keep it all in balance, I sure couldn't! Now when my wife and I are out hiking together on the weekends, after a few hours I apologize to her for what I put her through those masters racing years.


Thanks for the chuckle on the stages! A crash interrupted my travels at stage 2. Now, I help the young ones with their aspirations and do the occasional race with no major concern to placing, and most of all, I avoid the crazy sprint finishes that usually end in a crash.
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01 Jun 2018 22:45

Bustered.

USADA announced today that Buster Brown, of Bixby, Okla., an athlete in the sport of cycling, has tested positive for a prohibited substance and accepted a two-year sanction for his violation.

Brown, 53, tested positive for the presence of an anabolic agent and/or its metabolites as the result of an out-of-competition urine sample he provided on October 11, 2016. Brown was target tested based on credible information USADA received through the PlayClean Tip Center.


https://www.usada.org/buster-brown-accepts-doping-sanction/
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04 Jun 2018 11:53

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Bustered.

USADA announced today that Buster Brown, of Bixby, Okla., an athlete in the sport of cycling, has tested positive for a prohibited substance and accepted a two-year sanction for his violation.

Brown, 53, tested positive for the presence of an anabolic agent and/or its metabolites as the result of an out-of-competition urine sample he provided on October 11, 2016. Brown was target tested based on credible information USADA received through the PlayClean Tip Center.


https://www.usada.org/buster-brown-accepts-doping-sanction/



I haven't been following this stuff as much as I used to, but I clicked on the USADA link.....there have been 34 positive tests for cycling since the beginning of 2016 and except for Danielson and a few no name pros they are all masters. What the heck are we to make of this? I think one of two things is going on here....


A. Mr. Travis Tygart has successfully cleaned up the pro end of the sport and is now focusing on the last remaining dopers in our sport. Soon the sport will be returned 100% to those athletes and fans who so desire a "clean" sport and all the sponsors will return in droves.

or is it

B. Our knight in shining armor, Travis has proven so ineffective at taking our hard earned tax payer dollars and cleaning up the pro end of the sport (after all the majority of his "busts" have been through someone either pulling a Landis and spilling the beans or police investigations), that he has been reduced to chasing a bunch of mentally unbalanced old guys who are chasing their youth with the T therapy, etc.....you know basically continuing to think with their little heads.

Take a look at the tests they have done this year and the names......Chris Horner has been tested 6 times! I guess the guy has a license or he wouldn't be in the testing pool, but what's he doing? The Tuesday night world's up in Bend?

Really Travis, you've gone from uncovering "the most sophisticated doping program ever" to chasing after a 45 year ex pro who hasn't really raced in years??

No wonder our sport is so messed up.
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04 Jun 2018 12:25

What the heck are we to make of this? I think one of two things is going on here....

A. Mr. Travis Tygart has successfully cleaned up the pro end of the sport and is now focusing on the last remaining dopers in our sport. Soon the sport will be returned 100% to those athletes and fans who so desire a "clean" sport and all the sponsors will return in droves.

or is it

B. Our knight in shining armor, Travis has proven so ineffective at taking our hard earned tax payer dollars and cleaning up the pro end of the sport (after all the majority of his "busts" have been through someone either pulling a Landis and spilling the beans or police investigations), that he has been reduced to chasing a bunch of mentally unbalanced old guys who are chasing their youth with the T therapy, etc.....you know basically continuing to think with their little heads.

Take a look at the tests they have done this year and the names......Chris Horner has been tested 6 times! I guess the guy has a license or he wouldn't be in the testing pool, but what's he doing? The Tuesday night world's up in Bend?

Really Travis, you've gone from uncovering "the most sophisticated doping program ever" to chasing after a 45 year ex pro who hasn't really raced in years??

No wonder our sport is so messed up.


I'll chose door number B but now please stop making sense, it's a rabbit hole.
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04 Jun 2018 12:27

Pontiac wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Bustered.

USADA announced today that Buster Brown, of Bixby, Okla., an athlete in the sport of cycling, has tested positive for a prohibited substance and accepted a two-year sanction for his violation.

Brown, 53, tested positive for the presence of an anabolic agent and/or its metabolites as the result of an out-of-competition urine sample he provided on October 11, 2016. Brown was target tested based on credible information USADA received through the PlayClean Tip Center.


https://www.usada.org/buster-brown-accepts-doping-sanction/



I haven't been following this stuff as much as I used to, but I clicked on the USADA link.....there have been 34 positive tests for cycling since the beginning of 2016 and except for Danielson and a few no name pros they are all masters. What the heck are we to make of this? I think one of two things is going on here....


A. Mr. Travis Tygart has successfully cleaned up the pro end of the sport and is now focusing on the last remaining dopers in our sport. Soon the sport will be returned 100% to those athletes and fans who so desire a "clean" sport and all the sponsors will return in droves.

or is it

B. Our knight in shining armor, Travis has proven so ineffective at taking our hard earned tax payer dollars and cleaning up the pro end of the sport (after all the majority of his "busts" have been through someone either pulling a Landis and spilling the beans or police investigations), that he has been reduced to chasing a bunch of mentally unbalanced old guys who are chasing their youth with the T therapy, etc.....you know basically continuing to think with their little heads.

Take a look at the tests they have done this year and the names......Chris Horner has been tested 6 times! I guess the guy has a license or he wouldn't be in the testing pool, but what's he doing? The Tuesday night world's up in Bend?

Really Travis, you've gone from uncovering "the most sophisticated doping program ever" to chasing after a 45 year ex pro who hasn't really raced in years??

No wonder our sport is so messed up.


This targetting of 'weekend warriors' is not just an issue in cycling, but across most sports - I have no idea why Amateur type sports or the amateur part of BIGGER sports are members of the WADA Code - This is the world gone crazy but plays into the hands of NADO's who receive credit for busting 'weekend warriors' who are hardly at the cutting edge of professional cycling.
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04 Jun 2018 13:11

You're right about the world gone crazy
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

07 Jun 2018 09:33

There's a 45yr old kicking **** in Elite races in the UK at the moment. Dropping talented riders and putting minutes into them. UKAD have been around to test but the results are not yet public.

What, if anything, could someone use to be this good?
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07 Jun 2018 09:48

nevada wrote:There's a 45yr old kicking **** in Elite races in the UK at the moment. Dropping talented riders and putting minutes into them. UKAD have been around to test but the results are not yet public.

What, if anything, could someone use to be this good?


Is Chris Horner in the UK? :lol:
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

07 Jun 2018 10:28

nevada wrote:There's a 45yr old kicking **** in Elite races in the UK at the moment. Dropping talented riders and putting minutes into them. UKAD have been around to test but the results are not yet public.

What, if anything, could someone use to be this good?


Without a bit more context its difficult to say.

But just guessing, any number and combination of things really....although if he's dropping talented riders as you say, i would guess he was/is a pretty talented rider himself who is perhaps resorting to some 'assistance' to reverse the inevitability of ageing.
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

07 Jun 2018 12:34

brownbobby wrote:
nevada wrote:There's a 45yr old kicking **** in Elite races in the UK at the moment. Dropping talented riders and putting minutes into them. UKAD have been around to test but the results are not yet public.

What, if anything, could someone use to be this good?


Without a bit more context its difficult to say.

But just guessing, any number and combination of things really....although if he's dropping talented riders as you say, i would guess he was/is a pretty talented rider himself who is perhaps resorting to some 'assistance' to reverse the inevitability of ageing.


doesn't appear to be any history other tha 4th cat a couple of yrs ago and elite licence obtained in March this year.

He puts the results down to hard work and dedication.
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07 Jun 2018 12:43

nevada wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
nevada wrote:There's a 45yr old kicking **** in Elite races in the UK at the moment. Dropping talented riders and putting minutes into them. UKAD have been around to test but the results are not yet public.

What, if anything, could someone use to be this good?


Without a bit more context its difficult to say.

But just guessing, any number and combination of things really....although if he's dropping talented riders as you say, i would guess he was/is a pretty talented rider himself who is perhaps resorting to some 'assistance' to reverse the inevitability of ageing.


doesn't appear to be any history other tha 4th cat a couple of yrs ago and elite licence obtained in March this year.

He puts the results down to hard work and dedication.


Doesn't compute. Elite is 300 points in the previous season while holding a 1st cat or elite licence or top 10 in the Elite mens XC MTB series.
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

07 Jun 2018 13:08

nevada wrote:
brownbobby wrote:
nevada wrote:There's a 45yr old kicking **** in Elite races in the UK at the moment. Dropping talented riders and putting minutes into them. UKAD have been around to test but the results are not yet public.

What, if anything, could someone use to be this good?


Without a bit more context its difficult to say.

But just guessing, any number and combination of things really....although if he's dropping talented riders as you say, i would guess he was/is a pretty talented rider himself who is perhaps resorting to some 'assistance' to reverse the inevitability of ageing.


doesn't appear to be any history other tha 4th cat a couple of yrs ago and elite licence obtained in March this year.

He puts the results down to hard work and dedication.


Don't they all... :D
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07 Jun 2018 15:08

He puts the results down to hard work and dedication.[/quote]

Don't they all... :D[/quote]


Yep, it's fun to bash the old guys...I was one for quite a few years. I remember winning one big race in my age group by 15 minutes and you know those guys I beat had a field day with that one!

Aside from driving myself and my wife crazy with the dedication it took for such a pointless endeavor, the backstabbing did bother me some as well. Guys just don't want to accept that talent is the biggest part of the equation for success in the sport.

When I was a kid, I used to think the differences between guys I raced with all boiled down to dedication. It wasn't until I coached much later in life that I realized that most guys were just plain slow, it didn't matter how much work they did or how dedicated they were.
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Re: Todays idiot masters fattie doper

07 Jun 2018 15:44

Pontiac wrote:He puts the results down to hard work and dedication.


Don't they all... :D[/quote]


Yep, it's fun to bash the old guys...I was one for quite a few years. I remember winning one big race in my age group by 15 minutes and you know those guys I beat had a field day with that one!

Aside from driving myself and my wife crazy with the dedication it took for such a pointless endeavor, the backstabbing did bother me some as well. Guys just don't want to accept that talent is the biggest part of the equation for success in the sport.

When I was a kid, I used to think the differences between guys I raced with all boiled down to dedication. It wasn't until I coached much later in life that I realized that most guys were just plain slow, it didn't matter how much work they did or how dedicated they were.[/quote]

These aren't age related. This is someone dropping some of the best UK talent.
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07 Jun 2018 15:59

LOL, well I guess we can only surmise then.
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08 Jun 2018 00:54

yaco wrote:This targetting of 'weekend warriors' is not just an issue in cycling, but across most sports - I have no idea why Amateur type sports or the amateur part of BIGGER sports are members of the WADA Code - This is the world gone crazy but plays into the hands of NADO's who receive credit for busting 'weekend warriors' who are hardly at the cutting edge of professional cycling.

To be fair, this is part of an initiative sought by members of USAC, who put in place a levy on masters/amateur race entry fees and licences to fund the testing of masters/amateurs as well as ways to provide intelligence for better targeting.
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