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29 Jul 2015 00:17

folks, Ricky Riccio was cleans
"Hitler … didn't even sink to using chemical weapons."
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29 Jul 2015 09:55

Fearless Greg Lemond wrote:
carton wrote:Really, nobody has mentioned Indurain's La Plagne?

I think its a microcosm of cycling culture. Nothing matters if you don't win.

Even if you ride every major contender but Zulle (20-odd guys doped to the gills) straight off your wheel without attacking, teammates, changing cadence or standing up. Guy puts out 500W+ sustained for half an hour, double dares Pantani et al. to keep if they mfcking can. "I'll pull it's no biggie. Y'all ain't got nothing anyway."

Nope, he didn't win, so it isn't memorable.
this was training for that:

https://youtu.be/tFM7wcMiPdI?t=3078


Wow, that's some power, Indurain looks like he's on a Sunday run while the others are barely clinging on, and how fast were they going??? Looks way faster compared to now.
checking the opposition and than full alien mode
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29 Jul 2015 22:07

craig1985 wrote:Ivan Basso winning the 2006 Giro, a brutally hard one mind you, by 9 minutes. I mean come on!

2006 ITT Pontedera-Pisa-Pontedera was passing in front of my house. Even by looking at them, Ullrich and Basso seemed of another planet. IMHO Basso was even more impressive, given he started much later than Ullrich and there was already some wind.

Another performance that I still watch amazed is Prato-Abetone, Stage 9 of Giro 2000. I know quite well the climb of San Pellegrino in Alpe and I can assure you the last 2km before getting into the village are really tough (never under 13%) and the last km with the hairpins is over 15%. If you look at the way Casagrande cracked the others from 38:30 onwards, you’ll be amazed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGTpGPEG9ac
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30 Jul 2015 00:17

I've enjoyed reading this thread again. This one deserves a mention.

Erik Dekker 2004 Paris Tours.

If it was a film it would be panned for being too far-fetched but to sum up the plot Dekker is in the break for over 200kms, drops everyone one by one until he's alone with 10km to go, gets joined by fresh blood (Flecha, Kessler, Astarloa), attacks and drops them, only Kessler can get across but he's left for dead in the sprint, and frankly so is the chasing peloton. Also some amusing quotes in the CN report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGpjOfYLG0
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/paristours04/?id=results
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30 Jul 2015 06:00

Squire wrote:One of my favourite categories of doped performances? The legendary Saunier Duval 1-2s!

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I was on the finish line of the last one at Tre Cime di Lavaredo during Giro 2007. It was a crazy performance by the Saunier-Duval duo, considering that there were a ton of mountains that day and we were literally freezing in the rain ( I guess no more than 5°C on top). Here the classification of the stage:

1 RICCO’ Riccardo
2 PIEPOLI Leonardo
3 PARRA Ivan Ramiro
4 PEREZ CUAPIO Julio Alberto
5 MAZZOLENI Eddy
6 DI LUCA Danilo
7 SIMONI Gilberto
8 CUNEGO Damiano
9 SCHLECK Andy
10 SELLA Emanuele
11 ARROYO David
12 SAVOLDELLI PAOLO
13 RASMUSSEN Michael
14 PELLIZZOTTI Franco
15 PETROV Evgeni
16 NIBALI Vincenzo
17 BALIANI Fortunato
18 POZZOVIVO Domenico
19 JUFRE Josep
20 MIZUROV Andrey
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30 Jul 2015 06:10

Not sure about that, but I think nobody mentioned Armstrong at Hautacam in 2000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QUSkuxc3Zw
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30 Jul 2015 06:50

Another memorable performance during the Giro 2006 officially sponsored by Fuentes was Basso in Monte Bondone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikn_51pmebA

1 BASSO Ivan 4h51’30
2 SIMONI Gilberto 1’26
3 PIEPOLI Leonardo 1’37
4 GUTIERREZ Jose Enrique ''
5 GADRET John 2’40
6 PEREZ CUAPIO Julio Alberto 2’45
7 BELLI Wladimir 3’12
8 PELLIZZOTI Franco 3’25
9 CARUSO Giampaolo 3’27
10 LOPEZ David ''
11 PEREZ Francisco ‘’
12 SAVOLDELLI Paolo ‘’
13 PENA Victor Hugo ‘’
14 NOE’ Andrea 3’33
15 GARATE Juan Manuel 3’39
16 RUBIERA Jose Luis 3’45
17 CASAR Sandy 4'19
18 PARRA Ivan Ramiro '’
19 HALGAND Patrice 4'22
20 DI LUCA Danilo ‘’
21 SELLA Emanuele ‘’

24 CUNEGO Damiano 4’37

That year Giro was really awesome in terms of doping. Just look at the differences (9’18 to the second, 11’59 to the third!!) and how many non dopers in the top 10:
1 BASSO Ivan 91:33:36
2 GUTIERREZ Jose Enrique 9:18
3 SIMONI Gilberto 11:59
4 CUNEGO Damiano 18:16
5 SAVOLDELLI Paolo 19:22
6 CASAR Sandy 23:53
7 GARATE Juan Manuel 24:26
8 PELLIZZOTTI Franco 25:57
9 PENA Victor Hugo 26:27
10 JAVIER 'PATXI' VILA Francisco 27:34
11 PIEPOLI Leonardo 28:00
12 CARUSO Giampaolo 28:17
13 RUBIERA Jose Luis 28:30
14 HALGAND Patrice 35:15
15 TIRALONGO Paolo 40:16
16 PARRA Ivan Ramiro 40:16
17 VAN HUFFEL Wim 46:56
18 OSA Unai 48:52
19 SZMYD Sylwester 49:47
20 MAZZANTI Luca 50:43
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30 Jul 2015 07:12

Another crazy stage during the infamous Giro 2006 is Stage 19, Trento-Aprica with the Mortirolo. That stage was infamous because Gutierrez (189cm, 80kg) kept the pace of Cunego (169cm, 57kg) on Mortirolo and Simoni famously accused Basso of being extraterrestrial. Of course journalists called Simoni a coward for those charges, but in 1 month and 2 days we learnt about Basso’s involvement in Operation Puerto.


Part 1 (start of Mortirolo): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHMYM4k53s
Part 2 (Mortirolo): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkw_3aS0Ln8
Part 3 (Aprica): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QQ82crW6Fs
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30 Jul 2015 07:41

Some memorable performances in UCI Road World Championships:

1986 Conconi (yes, that Conconi!) was commenting the race for Rai. At about 3:50 Conconi said that Argentin was the guy who was able to recover much faster than everybody else. At 6:13 Conconi said that we were not even close to have reached the limits of the human body. And at 13:55 with half a lap to go Conconi said that he was sure Argentin was going to win. :D :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgtmiT0uE7U

1994 Luc Le Blanc won in front of Chiappucci after Ghirotto lead the race. 10 dopers in the first 10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddZthqvosCw

1995 the course was insane in Duitama and Olano, Indurain, Pantani should say everything. Pantani was found having an hematocrit of 60 after two weeks during Milano-Torino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HUKOGuMrY

1996 the course was clearly too tough for Museeuw in Lugano, nonetheless he didn’t lose one metre on Gianetti during the final climb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttojJElYaQs
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30 Jul 2015 08:32

franic wrote:Some memorable performances in UCI Road World Championships:

1995 the course was insane in Duitama and Olano, Indurain, Pantani should say everything. Pantani was found having an hematocrit of 60 after two weeks during Milano-Torino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HUKOGuMrY


Olano bringing it all home with a flat rear tire no less!
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30 Jul 2015 09:14

Eyeballs Out wrote:I've enjoyed reading this thread again. This one deserves a mention.

Erik Dekker 2004 Paris Tours.

If it was a film it would be panned for being too far-fetched but to sum up the plot Dekker is in the break for over 200kms, drops everyone one by one until he's alone with 10km to go, gets joined by fresh blood (Flecha, Kessler, Astarloa), attacks and drops them, only Kessler can get across but he's left for dead in the sprint, and frankly so is the chasing peloton. Also some amusing quotes in the CN report

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGpjOfYLG0
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/paristours04/?id=results
I think this a little too far fatched as well.

Dekker certainly went to the pharmacy that morning. Yet...

Group up front for 200 kms. Dekker clearly the best but not good enough. 4 other riders got back. Dekker obviously having difficulties to keep up with them. Than attacks again (slightly) DOWNHILL because the others are looking at each other. Than beats Kessler in a sprint while Dekker is known to be fast.

Than I would say Richard's Virenque win in Paris-Tours is more odd. Chasing peloton behind Durand and Virenque who have no more than 2m30sec with 50kms to go. Virenque still manages to survive with all the little climbs at the end, and chasing riders.
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30 Jul 2015 09:38

franic wrote:Some memorable performances in UCI Road World Championships:

1986 Conconi (yes, that Conconi!) was commenting the race for Rai. At about 3:50 Conconi said that Argentin was the guy who was able to recover much faster than everybody else. At 6:13 Conconi said that we were not even close to have reached the limits of the human body. And at 13:55 with half a lap to go Conconi said that he was sure Argentin was going to win. :D :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgtmiT0uE7U

1994 Luc Le Blanc won in front of Chiappucci after Ghirotto lead the race. 10 dopers in the first 10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddZthqvosCw

1995 the course was insane in Duitama and Olano, Indurain, Pantani should say everything. Pantani was found having an hematocrit of 60 after two weeks during Milano-Torino:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HUKOGuMrY

1996 the course was clearly too tough for Museeuw in Lugano, nonetheless he didn’t lose one metre on Gianetti during the final climb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttojJElYaQs
Pretty much agree on everything. Especially that Museeuw win was a disgrace. When he once said he was using doping at the end because he wanted to finish his career in style, every sane person knew he was lying.

Thats the worse, dopers who partly confess. Just confess everything or just deny.

@ Duitema, I believe only 20 riders got to the finish. Together with Sallanches 1980, steepest climb ever.
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14 Sep 2015 16:22

Vinokourov on Cobertoria, 2006 Vuelta.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQU50nwyVPs.


Kashechkin and Vinokourov go 1-2 on Pandera, 2006 Vuelta.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgdRpvtTgTE
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15 Sep 2015 12:57

I've encountered a pretty interesting case some time ago - TdF '79. Hinault and Joop were so flying, that they flew away on the Paris stage from the entire peleton to finish over 2min ahead. Zoetemelk was later busted for dope and got penalized 10min. Still he ended up being 2nd in GC. Interesting that Hinault wasn't busted too. I know that Paris stages were quite hilly those days and Hinault was a pretty competitive sprinter, but dropping entire peleton on a mostly flat course in 1979 (not 1939) is quite E.T.

Ugrumov '94 was fun. Any GT from '99 was like from outer space. Pantani taking Pampeago like flat & Madonna di Campiglio like a descend, Armstrong with lifeless eyes having trouble to fit in turns going uphill, VDB soap opera + now kinda forgotten Ullrich's Avila TT. Freddy Maertens in TdF '76 is pretty dope too. One of the more montainous editions and he some kinda hung on to end 8th in GC. If he could, then why Sagan or Matthews cannot? Hesjedal & Kruijswijk in Giro '15 going Sella all over the place, Amador being suddenly a GC guy and Astana being... Astana.
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15 Sep 2015 20:42

Claudio Chiappucci's legendary Sestriere stage in the 1992 Tour de France, he attacked the first time after 14km, attacked again with 200km to go and rode alone for 125km, the stage was 254.5 km long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zaOjh3ZxbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKA_1P23iIQ
Just look at those gaps: http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Tour_de_France_1992_Stage_13_Sestriere
His 1991 Milano-Sanremo win is also worth mentioning, he attacked on the Turchino descent and won the race . After spending about 140km at the front of the race he dropped his breakaway companion Rolf Sørensen on the Poggio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcUVxbQ-Xvg
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27 Jan 2018 15:46

I wasn't sure where to put it. So this thread is probably the most adequate. It has been a while since I saw something so obvious. Besides Froome is not what he used to be.

And the award goes to Najar in Vuelta a San Juan, 90's style:

Last 35 km https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=691mRnYkouw
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27 Jan 2018 16:50

Escarabajo wrote:I wasn't sure where to put it. So this thread is probably the most adequate. It has been a while since I saw something so obvious. Besides Froome is not what he used to be.

And the award goes to Najar in Vuelta a San Juan, 90's style:

Last 35 km https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=691mRnYkouw

Yeah that's pretty ridiculous. Local rider smashes everyone....reminded me of tour of Turkey and Mustafa Sayer a few years ago for some reason
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28 Jan 2018 07:24

I don't care how turbocharged he is that is some crazy conditioning at altitude, it's like he got the benefits of thinner air without the costs...
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30 Jan 2018 17:35

Turns out Najar is coached by the infamous Sergio Gili

At this point I would list Gili's other clients but I'm pretty sure they're all retired after positive tests, so...
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31 Jan 2018 17:31

Mythical Rojas brothers' domination of the Vuelta a Costa Rica is coming to an end: http://www.uci.ch/pressreleases/uci-statement-the-vuelta-ciclista-internacional-costa-rica/
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