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22 Jan 2011 21:38

Granville57 wrote:Alexi Grewal taking Gold over Steve Bauer at the 1984 Olympics?

The 1984 road team didn't dope that year. I mean blood pack like some track riders. If you're suspecting he was on uppers, well, maybe you're right.

Too many to choose from, :o but I'm going to go with the 1998 Tour de Romandie, which was a doping testing ground for that year's Festina team with almost zero controls. Dufaux and the boys were going so fast uphill they had to jam on the brakes going around corners. Watching the helicopter shots, the climbs look like descents at times.

Another "favorite" has to be that ITT Contador won in the Tour where his speeds were faster than any ITT Indurain won in his entire career.

Any number of performances by Virenque, Marco, LA, Riis, Ricco, FDV, etc. of course.
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22 Jan 2011 22:30

The Hitch wrote:Floyd into Morzine 2006 is the best ever, no doubt. If your going to dope and get caught, go out in STYLE!!!!

I still think that was a great ride, fresh blood or not. Death or glory!

What confuses me somewhat is that if everyone is on the sauce, especially in the good old days of unlimited EPO, how can one chap blow off the rest of the field so easily? Simple logic says that the rest of the field must be clean, but that's unlikely.

Seriously, can someone explain this?
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22 Jan 2011 22:40

Vino at Loundenvielle (sp) and obviously Floyd at Morzine...say no more
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22 Jan 2011 22:44

Probably the same way if they were doing it clean. Keeping their powder dry until the pivotal moment or stage.
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22 Jan 2011 22:47

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhEKRjhLuds

Maybe not the best but it's in the top ten. Given the time when this happened I'd say it's a safe bet.
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22 Jan 2011 22:59

Heras' second or third fastest of all time ITT in the 05 Vuelta (he was later stripped of the overall for EPO). Agree about a lot of Bert's ITTs, especially the one where he beat Spartacus in the 09 Tour.

Rujano's performance in the 2005 Giro, winning the queen stage and almost catching Savoldell and Simoni for the overall. That is one of my favorite stages of all time.

This was not a long escape requiring special chemical help, and he had help from a change in the finish line, but I thought Vino's final stage victory in the 05 TDF, vaulting him into top 5, was pretty remarkable, given the competition among the world's top sprinters for that stage.


Chuffy wrote:I still think that was a great ride, fresh blood or not. Death or glory!

What confuses me somewhat is that if everyone is on the sauce, especially in the good old days of unlimited EPO, how can one chap blow off the rest of the field so easily? Simple logic says that the rest of the field must be clean, but that's unlikely.

Seriously, can someone explain this?


A little help back in the peloton goes a long way. E.g., in Tyler's long solo win in the 2004 TDF, he clearly had certain powerful allies on other teams holding back attacks. A broken collarbone earlier in that race had eliminated TH from the overall.

Keep in mind that during the LA years, Postal/Disco could let anyone who wasn't a threat go that they wanted, and stop anyone who might be a threat from chasing. A lot of shuffling occurred in the top 5, and maybe even occasionally in the other two podium spots, because of this.
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22 Jan 2011 23:00

Sanitiser wrote:Probably the same way if they were doing it clean. Keeping their powder dry until the pivotal moment or stage.

Indeed.
But then when they jump and vanish into the distance everyone strokes their chin and goes 'yeah, doper...'
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22 Jan 2011 23:01

auscyclefan94 wrote:Vino at Loundenvielle (sp) and obviously Floyd at Morzine...say no more


Evans in Mendrisio;)
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22 Jan 2011 23:08

hwyrngr wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhEKRjhLuds

Maybe not the best but it's in the top ten. Given the time when this happened I'd say it's a safe bet.


WOW, Mig at his best.
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22 Jan 2011 23:11

Merckx index wrote:A little help back in the peloton goes a long way. E.g., in Tyler's long solo win in the 2004 TDF, he clearly had certain powerful allies on other teams holding back attacks. A broken collarbone earlier in that race had eliminated TH from the overall.

Keep in mind that during the LA years, Postal/Disco could let anyone who wasn't a threat go that they wanted, and stop anyone who might be a threat from chasing. A lot of shuffling occurred in the top 5, and maybe even occasionally in the other two podium spots, because of this.


There was no holding back on the final climb yet Floyd barely lost time there despite being "solo" for over 100km before.

A bit like Sella's magical breaks in the Giro in 2008.

Guess some dopers just go extra.
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22 Jan 2011 23:17

For me there is one stand out one because of the context both at the time and since...

Floyd Morzine 2006.

I was amazing TV at the time and it's been the most ridiculous Soap Opera since. Nothing comes close for me.
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22 Jan 2011 23:24

Chuffy wrote:I still think that was a great ride, fresh blood or not. Death or glory!

What confuses me somewhat is that if everyone is on the sauce, especially in the good old days of unlimited EPO, how can one chap blow off the rest of the field so easily? Simple logic says that the rest of the field must be clean, but that's unlikely.

Seriously, can someone explain this?


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22 Jan 2011 23:37

This might be the thread to ask:

Does anyone has more info on Sergei Sukhoruchenkov's win at the 1980 Olympics in Moscow?

Only thing I know is the guy attacked at km 0 and was never seen again.
Anyone got a good story or link for some more info.
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22 Jan 2011 23:43

Ullrich in the tdf 2003 for me, I think this was the only time he was on a level playing field with armstrong.. of course armstrong won in the end and I think this is a fair reflection for their battles, but ullrich ran him so close that year more than ever before... I don't believe ullrich was ever that fat or under trained, armstrong was slightly better as an athlete for sure, but the main reason ullrich couldn't compete with lance for years was that lance had a whole team helping him dope and ullrich only had himself helping him to dope and when he got back to working/doping with pevenage armstrong had gone(except in 2003).... I think the 2006 tdf ullrich would have been a match to anyone, shame he was barred from this competition......
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23 Jan 2011 00:08

palmerq wrote:Ullrich in the tdf 2003 for me, I think this was the only time he was on a level playing field with armstrong.. of course armstrong won in the end and I think this is a fair reflection for their battles, but ullrich ran him so close that year more than ever before... I don't believe ullrich was ever that fat or under trained, armstrong was slightly better as an athlete for sure, but the main reason ullrich couldn't compete with lance for years was that lance had a whole team helping him dope and ullrich only had himself helping him to dope and when he got back to working/doping with pevenage armstrong had gone(except in 2003).... I think the 2006 tdf ullrich would have been a match to anyone, shame he was barred from this competition......


Ullrich did get fat each winter. Some early season races he would look comical in his team kit. On the doping front he had a similar setup to Armstrong, just substitute Ferrari with Cecchini. He was still one if my favourite ever riders though.
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23 Jan 2011 00:19

MR_Sarcastic wrote:Floyd's big day in the Tour and Greg's great TT..........Wait, scratch that last one.....Greg's clean. Replace him with Gianni Bugno.....(pick a race)


Gianni Bugno, 1994 or 1993 Flanders. He was a one man team. Chase down breaks, get in breaks, attack in the finale, chase himself down, win the sprint (against Museeuw no less).

Edit: I'll add Indurain's 2nd place into Liege in the 1995 TdF.
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23 Jan 2011 01:11

Mapei won Paris-Roubaix several times because they were the best team by far. It was like watching Real Madrid at Wigan.

Nobel Prize: Floyd Landis Tour de France performance.

Notable reference do Frank Vdb and his 1999 Vuelta perfomances. That was amazing to watch. His burst of speed at Ávila was just cool. Then, at Navalmoral, the guy started setting an infernal pace and he dropped the whole EPO fueled field... Just cool. RIP VDB
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23 Jan 2011 02:15

palmerq wrote:Ullrich in the tdf 2003 for me, I think this was the only time he was on a level playing field with armstrong.. of course armstrong won in the end and I think this is a fair reflection for their battles, but ullrich ran him so close that year more than ever before... I don't believe ullrich was ever that fat or under trained, armstrong was slightly better as an athlete for sure, but the main reason ullrich couldn't compete with lance for years was that lance had a whole team helping him dope and ullrich only had himself helping him to dope and when he got back to working/doping with pevenage armstrong had gone(except in 2003).... I think the 2006 tdf ullrich would have been a match to anyone, shame he was barred from this competition......


I have to respectfully disagree with your commenting of 'armstrong was slightly better as an athlete'...I think Jan was far more naturally talented as a rider than LA, and was genetically superior for racing a bike. Where Armstrong had the advantage was his fastiduous preparation (can read 'anal') and single-minded drive to kill the competition. ...not to mention surrounded by minions that were there solely to put Lance to the fore.
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23 Jan 2011 03:22

Big Doopie wrote:chiappucci. sestrieres. 1992.

armstrong. hautacam. 2000.



I was there the day of Chiappucci's unbelievable ride in the '92 TdF. Everyone in our group of spectators was amazed, if not skeptical. A real Whiskey Tango Foxtrot moment :confused:
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23 Jan 2011 03:43

Even though he was not caught for doping and who knows if his opponent was or not, I'd have to say Rasmussen vs Contador at the TdF 2007. Their battles were absolutely amazing and honestly, I could care less if they doped or not when they had such a good race. I've been watching a ton of old TdF's lately and that's been my favorite so far.

I really think it sucks about what happened to MR and the fact that we will never get a rematch or get to see MR in the TdF again. There was a ton of screwy stuff going on and it wasn't just on MR's side. Anyone who can own Contador like him is cool with me though and his performance has made me a big fan of his. I'd love nothing more than to see him in the TdF again and I hope he can someday return.

Also, Kohl in the TdF was a big yellow flag for me. If you are going to cheat though, either win the race or be conspicuous or else you will end up as a double loser. Add Pantani and the year he won the tour to my list too.
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