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23 Jan 2011 04:55

Pantani's 1999 Giro is another. That race has all but been shuffled away on the shelves of history and no one wants to mention it. When Marco pulled on not one, not two, but all three leader jerseys after destroying everyone on the final mountain stage, those that didn't gawk in amazement, probably weren't shocked the next morning when he was pulled from the race.

Have to wonder if he had passed controls what would have happened at the 1999 Tour...
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23 Jan 2011 05:31

I've stated in another thread that I'm currently review the "Cyclism" Tours of the great Sir Lance, and I've been able to find moments where I just shake my head, not only at the performances but at the commentary.

What stands out is Paul Sherwen, who continually claims that post-cancer Armstrong lost 20 pounds, which is why he can climb the way he does. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, as I'm watching and listening I'm thinking "HemAssist, HemAssist, HemAssist". :eek:
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23 Jan 2011 05:36

Berzin wrote:What stands out is Paul Sherwen, who continually claims that post-cancer Armstrong lost 20 pounds, which is why he can climb the way he does.:


When I think of Paul Sherwen, I think of this guy:

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PR hack for Motorola...
[SIZE="2"]"Whoever still can't put one and one together about what happened in cycling is beyond my help."
Jan Ullrich[/SIZE]
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23 Jan 2011 06:15

Sanitiser wrote:Jacques Anquetil- "The Double" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4yqv7s6nbY

Just crazy.

Whaaaaaaat? What the hell was that? 18 hours on the bike after winning the Dauphine?
That is just crazy.
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23 Jan 2011 06:24

Vino taking Champs Elysees.

We both love the guy, but even my son was laughing.

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23 Jan 2011 06:27

pretty much any notable ride by Virenque.
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23 Jan 2011 07:55

Ivan Basso winning the 2006 Giro, a brutally hard one mind you, by 9 minutes. I mean come on!
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23 Jan 2011 08:08

Michael Rasmussen riding the stage 20 ITT in the 2005 TdF.
I'm sure he was on something and it sure was crash-tastic!!
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23 Jan 2011 08:13

Sanitiser wrote:Jacques Anquetil- "The Double" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4yqv7s6nbY

Just crazy.


Escarabajo wrote:Whaaaaaaat? What the hell was that? 18 hours on the bike after winning the Dauphine?
That is just crazy.


The "better living through chemistry" era.

Besides amphetamines and cognac (or champagne), can anybody shed light on the other cycling drugs of the day?

In any case, whatever he might have been on, I've never understood just quite how Anquetil pulled that one off. Beyond amazing, it seems almost impossible. But I guess that's the whole point. :)
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23 Jan 2011 10:15

Basso, whole Giro 2006. Absolutely ridiculous.

AC Verbier 2009. Every time trial, AC has ever won.
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23 Jan 2011 10:20

mewmewmew13 wrote:I have to respectfully disagree with your commenting of 'armstrong was slightly better as an athlete'...I think Jan was far more naturally talented as a rider than LA, and was genetically superior for racing a bike. Where Armstrong had the advantage was his fastiduous preparation (can read 'anal') and single-minded drive to kill the competition. ...not to mention surrounded by minions that were there solely to put Lance to the fore.


i think being stronger in the head like lance was makes him a better athlete.. The mind is a very large part of all sports, so to me that makes him a better athlete... could be true ullrich was better physically I dont know, but have jan with equal doping to lance and I think lance wins nearly every time...

I think lance had the whole team to help him dope and jan just had to do it himself which is not so easy.



also Di Luca at the giro in 2009 was pretty good it provided great entertainment for quite a few of the mountain stages and the start to the final time trial was pretty good to :S
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23 Jan 2011 10:53

Pantani attacking 3 times on the Alpe d'Huez during the 1997 tour. Ulrich was the last to be dropped with 10km to go. For some reason winning times on the Alpe d'Huez climb were lower during the 1990's than for any decade before or since.

The way Landis rode staight past Stuey O'Grady during the 2007 tour stage to Morzine was also unbelievable.
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23 Jan 2011 11:14

Sprinter Djamolidine Abdoujaparovs mountain stage win in the 1996 Tour.

It looked s o w r o n g to see this locomotive thundering u p a mountain to take the victory.
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23 Jan 2011 11:39

SiAp1984 wrote:Basso, whole Giro 2006. Absolutely ridiculous.

AC Verbier 2009. Every time trial, AC has ever won.


I should also include José Enrique Gutiérrez aka the 'Buffalo' coming 2nd in the 2006 Giro, ahead of guys like Gilberto Simoni.
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23 Jan 2011 11:52

ulrikmm wrote:Sprinter Djamolidine Abdoujaparovs mountain stage win in the 1996 Tour.


Always wondered about this one. Is there any video material out there? Started watching the tour the year after (Ullrich) and only read about the stage you mentioned on CN.

Craig, right, Gonzales is a good example, too. Even Pevenage was stunned about it back then.

I am not sure, but if I remember correctly, I laughed about Bettinis second WC in Stuttgart. If I remember correctly, he attacked and worked all day long and still was able to sprint out Zabel and Valv(Piti)... For me, Bettini is the AC of the one-day-racers (never liked him). Would have loved him to get caught...
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23 Jan 2011 11:57

1. By far the most ludicrous was Gabriele Colombo (Gewiss) at the '96 Milan San Remo

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2. Indurain and Leblanc at Hautacam in the rain

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3. Contador as Spanish TT champion

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4. Bruyneel hanging onto Mig in the Tour

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23 Jan 2011 12:04

Bruyneel isn't called 'The Hog' for nothing...

He also came 3rd at the '95 Vuelta as well.
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23 Jan 2011 13:37

A fairly recent one would be Santiago Perez in the 2004 Vuelta. He was a fairly unkown guy, a couple of good results, but unless you were paying specific attention to him, you probably wouldn't know him.

He lost a lot of time in the early stages, but after Calar Alto he got on fire. On the stage to the Alto de Monachil he had a VAM of 1878 in the last 5K, even better than Contador's performance on Verbier in 2009! The next day he destroyed the competition in a mountain time trial to Sierra Nevada. He dropped Heras in every mountain stage after that (reaching an incredible VAM of 2067(!) on the last 6.5km of the Puerta de Navacerrada,) and won the final time trial. It's a small miracle that Heras won that Vuelta, but that was mostly because Santi Perez lost too much time in the early part of the race.

Obviously, a couple of days after the Vuelta it became clear he was caught with blood doping, like his teammate Hamilton, but still, a fantastic performance, I've rarely seen anyone race up a mountain like that after the introduction of the EPO-test.
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23 Jan 2011 13:50

palmerq wrote:i think being stronger in the head like lance was makes him a better athlete.. The mind is a very large part of all sports, so to me that makes him a better athlete... could be true ullrich was better physically I dont know, but have jan with equal doping to lance and I think lance wins nearly every time...

If you include mental aspects as part of athlete, then yes. It is well known that Lance was mentally very strong and had the will to train a lot. Purely physically all experts seem to agree that Jan was the better of the two.

I am a big Jan-fan, but looking back at his career the only years he truly was in great shap were in '96/'97 and 2003 (?, the bianchi year). And in the bianchi year he actually was sick in the first week. Just a shame.
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