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23 Jan 2011 15:11

SiAp1984 wrote:Always wondered about this one. Is there any video material out there? Started watching the tour the year after (Ullrich) and only read about the stage you mentioned on CN.

Craig, right, Gonzales is a good example, too. Even Pevenage was stunned about it back then.

I am not sure, but if I remember correctly, I laughed about Bettinis second WC in Stuttgart. If I remember correctly, he attacked and worked all day long and still was able to sprint out Zabel and Valv(Piti)... For me, Bettini is the AC of the one-day-racers (never liked him). Would have loved him to get caught...


I wonder how many wins Bettini got clean, very few I will bet.
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23 Jan 2011 15:14

Thanks. Very interesting.

Antoher suspicious performance:

Jens Voigt cracking Leipheimer and Kasheshkin in the Deutschland Tour 2006 at the Arlbergpass and, among others, Leipheimer and Gesink 2007 at the Rettenbach Ferner.
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23 Jan 2011 15:30

To be fair to the Rettenbachferner performance, it may have been quite ludicrous-looking, but it is worth noting that David López beat him from the break; Robert Gesink was 21 and only 8 seconds behind, Cunego was riding for form before the Vuelta and had won the previous stage, Voigt beating Ten Dam and Bertagnolli up a HC climb isn't a huge shock, and the Rettenbachferner climb was less than a month after Leipheimer had raced to the podium of the Tour de France (yes, Voigt had also done the Tour, but he wouldn't have expended as much energy as Levi in a domestique role, and of course the Deutschlandtour was his home race that he'd desperately want to show in). In fact, you could almost argue that a doped-up Pfannberger was the most inexplicable rider for Voigt to crack in that performance.
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23 Jan 2011 16:34

Berzin wrote:I've stated in another thread that I'm currently review the "Cyclism" Tours of the great Sir Lance, and I've been able to find moments where I just shake my head, not only at the performances but at the commentary.

What stands out is Paul Sherwen, who continually claims that post-cancer Armstrong lost 20 pounds, which is why he can climb the way he does. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, as I'm watching and listening I'm thinking "HemAssist, HemAssist, HemAssist". :eek:


Paul Sherwen was an excellent racer in the 70's and 80's and it is easy to sit and throw stones with our doper avatar in anonimity. I think his experise in the sport is beyond reproach and I hope we can put down the hate and at least agree on that.

I was rewatching my 2001 tape of Alp d Huez and his astute commentary added valuable insight into this performance by the most prolific tour rider ever. Paul said that Lance had a special mountain bike with a special fork that day, as well as special gearing. He also touched on the super spinning technique Lance learned from big Mig, though Mig was probably doped to spin like that.

So the special gears and fork and special spinning technique makes the dominance even more special. Even the extra special help of losing 20 pounds added to the dominance. I thought he lost 40 pounds but who is counting. Paul and Phil are the best, and Bob Roll adds insight that you forumites can only hope to understand. It all adds up to something special.
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23 Jan 2011 16:56

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blackcat wrote:you must respect the Cobra, a man who can give himself his own nickname. he trancends hubris.
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23 Jan 2011 17:54

skandar akbar wrote:paul sherwen was an excellent racer in the 70's and 80's and it is easy to sit and throw stones with our doper avatar in anonimity. I think his experise in the sport is beyond reproach and i hope we can put down the hate and at least agree on that.

I was rewatching my 2001 tape of alp d huez and his astute commentary added valuable insight into this performance by the most prolific tour rider ever. Paul said that lance had a special mountain bike with a special fork that day, as well as special gearing. He also touched on the super spinning technique lance learned from big mig, though mig was probably doped to spin like that.

So the special gears and fork and special spinning technique makes the dominance even more special. Even the extra special help of losing 20 pounds added to the dominance. I thought he lost 40 pounds but who is counting. Paul and phil are the best, and bob roll adds insight that you forumites can only hope to understand. It all adds up to something special.


+1 lol.....:)
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23 Jan 2011 20:47

Lanark wrote:A fairly recent one would be Santiago Perez in the 2004 Vuelta. He was a fairly unkown guy, a couple of good results, but unless you were paying specific attention to him, you probably wouldn't know him.

He lost a lot of time in the early stages, but after Calar Alto he got on fire. On the stage to the Alto de Monachil he had a VAM of 1878 in the last 5K, even better than Contador's performance on Verbier in 2009! The next day he destroyed the competition in a mountain time trial to Sierra Nevada. He dropped Heras in every mountain stage after that (reaching an incredible VAM of 2067(!) on the last 6.5km of the Puerta de Navacerrada,) and won the final time trial. It's a small miracle that Heras won that Vuelta, but that was mostly because Santi Perez lost too much time in the early part of the race.

Obviously, a couple of days after the Vuelta it became clear he was caught with blood doping, like his teammate Hamilton, but still, a fantastic performance, I've rarely seen anyone race up a mountain like that after the introduction of the EPO-test.


+1 Perez riding was just ridiculous. Had the same feeling when I saw Sella riding the dolomites in 2008.
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24 Jan 2011 00:13

I
f a party was being organized with a few cyclists and the words "Whitey & Stuey will be there" then it meant "lock up your daughters and gear". Those blokes have an awesome reputation in europe for getting on it and riding the next day. They were well into the PEDs also..... Ask Garmount about the Aussies. Please don't ever use the world clean & Matt White in the same sentence....


The above post from theHog in the Matt White thread reminded me of this from O'Grady:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjeAVmYTU_g&feature=related
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24 Jan 2011 01:39

180mmCrank wrote:For me there is one stand out one because of the context both at the time and since...

Floyd Morzine 2006.

I was amazing TV at the time and it's been the most ridiculous Soap Opera since. Nothing comes close for me.


Yes - surely the number one icon in this list for the reasons you listed.

Plenty of other unbelievable rides but this one is a relatively rare combination of exceptional drama on the road and clear evidence of doping on the actual day.
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24 Jan 2011 01:52

andy1234 wrote:
Which ride stands out in your mind as being the most unbelievable performance. Assuming the said rider wasn't caught at the dope contol afterwards, we'll just have make some assumptions ;)


180mmCrank wrote:For me there is one stand out one because of the context both at the time and since...

Floyd Morzine 2006.

I was amazing TV at the time and it's been the most ridiculous Soap Opera since. Nothing comes close for me.


yourwelcome wrote:Yes - surely the number one icon in this list for the reasons you listed.

Plenty of other unbelievable rides but this one is a relatively rare combination of exceptional drama on the road and clear evidence of doping on the actual day.


I wasn't sure from the OP as to whether or not Stage 17 to Morzine fit the criteria (define: afterwards :rolleyes: )

Otherwise I certainly would've loudly proclaimed, Close the thread! It's over! :)

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24 Jan 2011 02:17

Merckx index wrote:A little help back in the peloton goes a long way. E.g., in Tyler's long solo win in the 2004 TDF, he clearly had certain powerful allies on other teams holding back attacks. A broken collarbone earlier in that race had eliminated TH from the overall.


Not according to Eric Zabel, in Hell on Wheels he said that evening that he asked guys in the bunch what was happening and they said that Tyler was up the road and groups of up to 10 riders kept trying to get to him - they'd get 2mins off the front of the field and then get sucked back in. Doesn't sound like the pack was soft pedalling to let him go...
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24 Jan 2011 02:40

Martin318is wrote:Not according to Eric Zabel, in Hell on Wheels he said that evening that he asked guys in the bunch what was happening and they said that Tyler was up the road and groups of up to 10 riders kept trying to get to him - they'd get 2mins off the front of the field and then get sucked back in. Doesn't sound like the pack was soft pedalling to let him go...


Yeah, I think that was the performance where Zabel strained the bounds of omertà by quiping afterwards, "I've seen a lot of things in cycling, but that was really over the top!"
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24 Jan 2011 02:56

yep thats the one.
From what I recall he had decided not to carry a radio because he expected to be dumped early by the leaders and was going to ride his own pace. He caught the field in the valley after the second last descent and then got caught up on the days story by the riders around him.

Everything about the way he told it said he was confident Tyler was on something.

(Its also interesting that that same performance was going to be the basis of an iMax film about the brain and pain tolerance etc and it then got canned because of Tyler's later positive test)
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24 Jan 2011 03:20

Martin318is wrote:yep thats the one.
From what I recall he had decided not to carry a radio because he expected to be dumped early by the leaders and was going to ride his own pace. He caught the field in the valley after the second last descent and then got caught up on the days story by the riders around him.

Everything about the way he told it said he was confident Tyler was on something.

(Its also interesting that that same performance was going to be the basis of an iMax film about the brain and pain tolerance etc and it then got canned because of Tyler's later positive test)


Yeah, my understanding was that they were filming Tyler's whole Tour (maybe not?) and then events unfolded that were more than the filmmakers could've hoped for. But then...

Here's a sample
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EsWJgU9GmA
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24 Jan 2011 04:51

Martin318is wrote:Tyler was up the road and groups of up to 10 riders kept trying to get to him - they'd get 2mins off the front of the field and then get sucked back in. Doesn't sound like the pack was soft pedalling to let him go...


No, it sounds like they were hard pedalling (on occasion) to let him go.
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24 Jan 2011 15:05

Jacques Anquetil "The Double".
500 miles, 34 hours, no sleep.
EPO Posers would fail. Miserably.
Doping=Fail. RIP Jacques.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4yqv7s6nbY
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24 Jan 2011 15:40

• Moser breaking the hour record in 1984.

• Lance getting taken-out by a musette bag at the TDF and then winning the stage anyway.

• Cancellara 2010. At least TRY and make it look like you're in pain and struggling. Next time you dominate on dope, ease-up and make it look like a fair fight.
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24 Jan 2011 16:52

Plus one on the Basso 06 Giro, the comments from Simoni about him being from another planet or something were equally as hilarious.

Second for me is Lance TT'ing up A'lpe D'huez. I mean come on. When he caught Basso, I looked at my buddy (who was in love with Lance and wouldn't hear a bad word about him) and just said "seriously?"
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24 Jan 2011 17:03

amp300 wrote:Plus one on the Basso 06 Giro, the comments from Simoni about him being from another planet or something were equally as hilarious.


ET.........
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24 Jan 2011 17:14

Team Ferrari/Fuentes wrote:Mapei won Paris-Roubaix several times because they were the best team by far. It was like watching Real Madrid at Wigan.


If I'm recalling right they'd lock up the podium for most of the 'monument' spring classics, then disappear for the rest of the year.

The award needs to be broken into two categories. One-day monuments and stage races. Mapei wins the one-day award.
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