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Re: Jan Ullrich

14 Sep 2018 02:23

benzwire wrote:
Norks74 wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:
ClassicomanoLuigi wrote:Ullrich got out of the rehab clinic in Germany, but went back to Mallorca, and went back to drinking alcohol immediately. The newspapers in Germany say Ullrich has been seen drinking whiskey, that he never really intended to give up alcohol in the first place, and that he has been acting erratically again - climbing around on the rooftop of his villa while "carrying a cloth chicken" (a kind of plush chicken stuffed-animal bird).Image

A mistake by many alcoholics is to think they can drink in moderation, when actually they can't, and it just starts the cycle of addiction over again. So, probably more trouble is to come, for Jan Ullrich. Maybe he will stay off of the amphetamines at least, but not convinced that the psychosis from the stimulant drugs has worn off completely.
Resurrecting the Ullrich thread in the Clinic, as the place for any CN post-meltdown Jan Ullrich commentary. To move the drama out of the PRR section as sugggested.


Why isn't this guy in jail where he belongs?


In jail? Will that really help him? Or society? I am not sure it would..


Well there is that assault charge looming...
It's sad, but he seems like he hasn't hit rock bottom yet. I'm afraid this isn't going to end well. Hopefully he will gets some help, either voluntarily or forced.

On a side note, I thought he would blow up and gain a ton of weight in retirement. He looks fitter than he did in most off seasons during his career!

I touched on this previously. Dude looks like he could tear up a masters race with a few weeks training!
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Re: Jan Ullrich

14 Sep 2018 20:44

El Pistolero wrote:Why isn't this guy in jail where he belongs?
I cannot understand his legal situation either, he was in jail for only one day, and why would he be allowed to leave Germany at all ??? The prosecutors certainly seem like they consider it a grave situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c95uP8u3Pvc
Doesn't seem like she is joking. But on the other hand, because of some technicality, they didn't keep him in custody. Maybe because of his celebrity, and Ullrich being stalked all the time by paparazzi, they figure he's not going to flee Majorca... but how do they know that? The manslaughter case is "under investigation" but doesn't make sense that he is free to travel internationally, so I lost interest in trying to understand
benzwire wrote:In jail? Will that really help him? Or society? I am not sure it would..
Ullrich is already on a 21-month suspended jail sentence in Switzerland, for injuring two people in a drunk-driving crash. So it has to do with jurisdiction, if he had done these assaults in Switzerland, then he would be in jail right now for violating his probation. It might help society, that's why violent offenders get locked-up, to try to correct their dangerous behavior. It might help Ullrich, by enforcing a sober and drug-free period of his life, since the rehab didn't have much effect on his addiction. Or it might not...
Norks74 wrote:Well there is that assault charge looming... It's sad, but he seems like he hasn't hit rock bottom yet. I'm afraid this isn't going to end well. Hopefully he will gets some help, either voluntarily or forced.
On a side note, I thought he would blow up and gain a ton of weight in retirement. He looks fitter than he did in most off seasons during his career!
[quote="Amazinmets87I touched on this previously. Dude looks like he could tear up a masters race with a few weeks training!
Yeah, why didn't he just ride granfondos like Riccò, or take up triathlon as a hobby like Rolf Aldag (who also knows a lot about doping on Telekom, having been a super-doper himself). What's wrong with that? I think it's because Ullrich damaged the cartilage or tendons in his knee to the point it can't be surgically repaired, and therefore he's never going to be a real cyclist again "mein knie ist leider kaputt"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnoZEmJiQx4
So that must be kind of hard to accept, if there is no more cycling, then what to do with himself. But he is obsessed with fitness and repetitive exercise, you can see in the video he is doing all kinds of workouts. To blow off "the energy" which he otherwise can't control. My opinion, based on everything I have seen, is that Ullrich went into a persistent psychotic state, because of the amphetamines, which can last for weeks or months, even after stopping the drugs. Being a "speed freak" and going for days without sleep while doing relentless activity, that will burn the calories and keep the fat off. Or loss of appetite, not eating, preferring alcohol as a source of calories versus eating solid food.
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15 Sep 2018 10:23

Well, he has a steady place of residence within the European Union. I suppose law enforcement agencies of Spain and Germany work together well enough for him to be allowed to return to this home until his trial starts.
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10 Oct 2018 21:48

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jan-ullrich-pens-open-letter-about-his-substance-abuse-and-road-to-recovery/
In an open letter published in German national newspaper, Bild, Ullrich reveals that he has just returned home from a week at a rehabilitation facility in Miami, describing it as "the first stages of my personal Tour de France".

He will now continue his recovery in German-speaking countries for the next six weeks before returning to the US for further treatment.


One can only hope he gets all the help he needs.
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11 Oct 2018 12:39

How did that supposed assault on that woman end? Was he charged or was it dropped?
Shut up, Jens!
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12 Oct 2018 20:37

glassmoon wrote:How did that supposed assault on that woman end? Was he charged or was it dropped?


According to - from August 19 -
https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/lance-armstrong-lends-support-to-former-rival-jan-ullrich-after-admission-to-psychiatric-hospital/news-story/f3d1889f257b618ab7786907f790f06c
Ullrich had been released on bail pending an investigation for possible attempted manslaughter but suffered a panic attack according to the DPA news agency.

“Jan Ullrich was admitted to a psychiatric hospital on Friday night where his state of health is being assessed by specialists,” a Frankfurt police spokesman told AFP on Saturday.

“Due to his mental and physical state there was no other choice” but to transport him to a psychiatric unit by ambulance, the spokesman said.


He's still - as far as I know - being charged by the Spanish Police for attacking his neighbour just a week before - see
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/jan-ullrich-says-hes-therapy-following-arrest-mallorca-forceful-entry-threats-389513
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Re: Jan Ullrich

18 Oct 2018 11:36

According to l'Equipe there are concerns about the whereabouts and welfare of Jan Ullrich. None of his friends and family have had any contact with him for 3 weeks.
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18 Oct 2018 18:39

From Claude Cat in PRR thread:

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Further concerns about the whereabouts and welfare of Jan Ullrich says @lequipe. None of his friends and family have had any contact with him for 3 weeks, a person unknown but believed to be someone he met in a Palma gym is answering his phone.
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18 Oct 2018 18:52

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Re: Jan Ullrich

18 Oct 2018 21:29

Tim Booth wrote:According to l'Equipe there are concerns about the whereabouts and welfare of Jan Ullrich. None of his friends and family have had any contact with him for 3 weeks.


According to http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/jan-ullrich-pens-open-letter-about-his-substance-abuse-and-road-to-recovery/ on October 10
In an open letter published in German national newspaper, Bild, Ullrich reveals that he has just returned home from a week at a rehabilitation facility in Miami, describing it as "the first stages of my personal Tour de France".

He will now continue his recovery in German-speaking countries for the next six weeks before returning to the US for further treatment.


I assume he's being kept away from "friends" during his detox.
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17 Dec 2018 11:08

Any news on Ullrich's rehab stint?
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