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24 Dec 2014 06:56

Dr. Juice wrote:However after '96, it was less ridiculous...it was a bless at that time (50% rule). Before Armstrong bought the UCI. Doping yes but a sane HCT and more or less same conditions for everybody. 97-99 were nice (99 before the Pantani scandal + Motoman in the Tour)


Yes, maybe true that it was a three year period of leveled playing field as possible (if we look solely at the TdF).
In 97 teams still figured out how to circumvent the 50% rule.
In 98 teams were feared to death, flushing most of their PEDs down the toilet (IOW: shortage of PEDs as numerous time witnesses told)
In 99 teams were still feared to death, but one (LA didn´t care if he goes to a french prison, thus this reckless idea with the motoman. It was kind of roulette)...

After all, that´s more years that worked well enough for a level playing field, than the one or two when the BP was to some extend effective...
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24 Dec 2014 11:59

roundabout wrote:uh, why would he have ridden clean all of a sudden when he himself sees doping as a means of leveling the playing field


Because taking EPO was a lot more risky than in pre 2000.
There's a reason the swith was made to blood bags.
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24 Dec 2014 12:07

Doesn't mean that he was clean
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24 Dec 2014 15:03

roundabout wrote:Doesn't mean that he was clean


No but there are quiet a few indications that he didn't have any kind of bood manipulation in 2000/2001.
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24 Dec 2014 15:26

he made the top 20 of le tour in both those years. so yeah, case closed

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24 Dec 2014 16:09

What a load of crapp in this thread. Ullrich is a career doper, he cheated and lied throughout his career. He only came forward, when the lies where no longer believable. Huge Talent, but a crook all the same.
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24 Dec 2014 16:11

RiccoDinko wrote:What a load of crapp in this thread. Ullrich is a career doper, he cheated and lied throughout his career. He only came forward, when the lies where no longer believable. Huge Talent, but a crook all the same.


What a load of crap... this post is. Tell me which "career doper" did came forward before his lies were no longer believable?
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24 Dec 2014 16:13

RiccoDinko wrote:What a load of crapp in this thread. Ullrich is a career doper, he cheated and lied throughout his career. He only came forward, when the lies where no longer believable. Huge Talent, but a crook all the same.


Like the other 296 guys in the pro peloton at the time... not to mention all of the continental riders & juniors. Even the DSs medical teams were trying out the gear.

No doubt our friend Brian with his CIRC will uncover all these issues and make an apology for the UCI enablement of the enmasse doping era.
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24 Dec 2014 16:28

Bavarianrider wrote:No but there are quiet a few indications that he didn't have any kind of bood manipulation in 2000/2001.


Please, do tell.
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25 Dec 2014 06:19

IzzyStradlin wrote:Please, do tell.
Yes, the Telekom einz zwei drei in Sydney was in now way comparable to the Cecchini 1-2-3 in Atlanta.

But you knew that already...
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25 Dec 2014 12:13

RiccoDinko wrote:What a load of crapp in this thread. Ullrich is a career doper, he cheated and lied throughout his career. He only came forward, when the lies where no longer believable. Huge Talent, but a crook all the same.


Well how do you explain then that Ullrich is respected among 99% within the cycling world.
You most likely won't find a rider from the "EPo era" who gets more respect than him.
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25 Dec 2014 12:55

99% percent of the peloton respected Armstrong until it was no longer fashionable. I have nothing against Ullrich, he was correct for the period. I have something against the double standards in the Clinic. Building up dopers, based on their nationalities, or some ridiculous chance that in 99 he rode clean. The amount of speculation, and fan favoritism that goes on here, is nauseating.
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25 Dec 2014 13:04

RiccoDinko wrote:99% percent of the peloton respected Armstrong until it was no longer fashionable. I have nothing against Ullrich, he was correct for the period. I have something against the double standards in the Clinic. Building up dopers, based on their nationalities, or some ridiculous chance that in 99 he rode clean. The amount of speculation, and fan favoritism that goes on here, is nauseating.

we know Ricky Riccio was clean tho.
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25 Dec 2014 13:10

RiccoDinko wrote:99% percent of the peloton respected Armstrong until it was no longer fashionable. I have nothing against Ullrich, he was correct for the period. I have something against the double standards in the Clinic. Building up dopers, based on their nationalities, or some ridiculous chance that in 99 he rode clean. The amount of speculation, and fan favoritism that goes on here, is nauseating.



2000/01 not 99
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25 Dec 2014 13:58

FoxxyBrown1111 wrote:What a load of crap... this post is. Tell me which "career doper" did came forward before his lies were no longer believable?


So what's your problem with Horner then? Is he supposed to stop his success, and tell all?
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25 Dec 2014 14:31

Bavarianrider wrote:2000/01 not 99
I agree, good doper Jan was clean in 2000.

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One minute slower to his EPO fuel time in 1997.

Michele Ferrari was right, doping doesnt work.

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25 Dec 2014 23:23

Fearless Greg Lemond wrote:I agree, good doper Jan was clean in 2000.

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One minute slower to his EPO fuel time in 1997.

Michele Ferrari was right, doping doesnt work.

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5.94 Watt/Kilo?
If anything, that's a rock solid proof that Ullrich was clean in that year.
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26 Dec 2014 13:51

Bavarianrider wrote:5.94 Watt/Kilo?
If anything, that's a rock solid proof that Ullrich was clean in that year.


with many kg's you still get a lot of power ;)
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26 Dec 2014 18:01

Alpechraxler wrote:with many kg's you still get a lot of power ;)


Ullrich in 1997 was just marking Virenque. There's little doubt he could have gone faster if he pushed himself to the limit.
He was in the 6.5 -7 Watt/ Kilo range on multiple stages that year.
In 2000 though, Joux Plane was his best day of the tour and he was going all out. Yet he only managed 5.9Watt/ Kilo.

5.9 to 6,5 that's a difference in power of 9%. Pretty much the difference you would excpect between clean and blood manipulated.
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27 Dec 2014 02:02

Bavarianrider wrote:Ullrich in 1997 was just marking Virenque. There's little doubt he could have gone faster if he pushed himself to the limit.
He was in the 6.5 -7 Watt/ Kilo range on multiple stages that year.
In 2000 though, Joux Plane was his best day of the tour and he was going all out. Yet he only managed 5.9Watt/ Kilo.

5.9 to 6,5 that's a difference in power of 9%. Pretty much the difference you would excpect between clean and blood manipulated.


He was visibly heavier in 2000
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