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02 Dec 2012 19:04

ebandit wrote:as i suggested...........you will never be happy


And you would be wrong.

A standard open to all competitors vs a standard decided by a few competitors and even then only if they feel like letting you in.

The former works for me.

Simples.
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02 Dec 2012 20:23

Le Baroudeur wrote:A standard open to all competitors vs a standard decided by a few competitors and even then only if they feel like letting you in.

The former works for me.



so why ask the question above when you already know the answer /

have already made up your mind?
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02 Dec 2012 21:19

ebandit wrote:so why ask the question above when you already know the answer /

have already made up your mind?


Because history is littered with injustice imposed in the wake of turmoil, and it's a highly relevant and important point and principle. Unfair advantage in sport isn't just achieved with the aid of a syringe.

Had the AIOCC wanted a principle adhered too they could simply have requested all the teams to gather and make a declaration to that effect.

The last thing the sport needs is more collusion, Zinoviev letters (*not the CN user), or Manchurian candidates.



Grow up.
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02 Dec 2012 21:44

Le Baroudeur wrote:
Grow up.


maybe?.................one day.........keep trollin' along
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02 Dec 2012 22:52

Le Baroudeur wrote:And you would be wrong.

A standard open to all competitors vs a standard decided by a few competitors and even then only if they feel like letting you in.

The former works for me.

Simples.


Agree, it can be a problem when such a grass root organization suddenly gets traction and some power. Lets see how they handle the Astana application. Hopefully any decision will bring some details.
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03 Dec 2012 12:19

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Lemond-candidat-a-la-presidence/331160

Apparently McQ has resigned, and Lemond has accepted the job at UCI, accordding to L'Equipe.
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03 Dec 2012 12:30

Fortyninefourteen wrote:http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Lemond-candidat-a-la-presidence/331160

Apparently McQ has resigned, and Lemond has accepted the job at UCI, accordding to L'Equipe.

McQ hasn't resigned. Greg encourages him to resign.
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03 Dec 2012 15:36

Netserk wrote:McQ hasn't resigned. Greg encourages him to resign.


Interesting. The second paragraph has been rewritten since I read it earlier today. Maybe a disinformation campaign is afoot.....
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20 Jun 2013 19:19

MPCC suspends Europcar.

which means?

CN writeup:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mpcc-temporarily-suspends-team-europcar

I will iterate my stance on the issue (on a broader basis): Teams needs to be punished when their riders (with or without direct involvement from management) mess up.

Find a way please.
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21 Jun 2013 00:42

Yikes, do you think they will stop doping so they can get their membership back?
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21 Jun 2013 01:15

Ferminal wrote:Yikes, do you think they will stop doping so they can get their membership back?


Do you critique the teams that are not part of mpcc as much?

Do you know that they don't have the extra tests. They don't get punished at all because they don't have the extra tests. They can dope cortisone with impunity.

Does that cross your mind at all when you are jeering at a group that is voluntarily trying to lend just a bit of credibility to cycling?

And this is pretty bad publicity for a team in search of a sponsor...

But, go ahead, jeer away at those who are doing at least a little to give us back what used to be a fantastic sport. Jeer to your heart's content and feel better about yourself that you are giving the big doping teams and riders a free ride.
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21 Jun 2013 01:44

What extra tests?

These cortisone checks are not official tests, they have no real meaning.
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21 Jun 2013 01:57

Ferminal wrote:What extra tests?

These cortisone checks are not official tests, they have no real meaning.


Um..seriously?

We are talking about them.

So the teams that are not part of mpcc, you do realize, will never get noted for failing a test like this. No one will accuse them of cortisone doping like they have (rightly!) Rolland and eurocar. To begrudge mpcc a lack of clout but not realize that teams who don't join have a much easier time doping, is hypocrisy in a nutshell.
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21 Jun 2013 02:03

Europcar has always been part of the MPCC, it has never stopped them doping with cortisone. It already happened with Charteau last year, but they didn't care enough to stop. Do you think they will stop doping because the MPCC got them again, because they got kicked out of the organisation? The risks of abusing cortisone are the same regardless of whether or not you're an MPCC member.

What a great win for the credibility of cycling, they create doping headlines around a team yet they are powerless to do anything about it. Basically their only punishment mechanism is PR, is that going to stop the green monsters of July?
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21 Jun 2013 02:11

Is the MPCC testing protocol (rider / team / date / time selection) documented anywhere?
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21 Jun 2013 02:24

Ferminal wrote:What extra tests?

These cortisone checks are not official tests, they have no real meaning.

Tell that to Europcar. At least they are being acted on.
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21 Jun 2013 02:41

42x16ss wrote:Tell that to Europcar. At least they are being acted on.


Bingo.

And they are looking for a sponsor. This can't help.

Seriously to attack mpcc for its lack of power when it does what it can while ignoring the fact that teams that don't participate don't have to worry about anything...

I guess there is (and was never) a "peloton a deux vitesses". That was all just a fabrication of the lazy French. It wouldn't/couldn't have any connection that they have consistently been held to a higher standard. Same now, to a small degree, the members of mpcc.

Ultimately, it's the rigidity of the laws of a country and their political will to prosecute their own that pretty much dictates. But the mpcc is a little extra.

But sure, cut it down, while giving all the teams and riders who don't participate a free pass. By all means. That's logical.
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21 Jun 2013 02:42

Dear Wiggo wrote:Is the MPCC testing protocol (rider / team / date / time selection) documented anywhere?


http://www.mpcc.fr/index.php/en/mpcc-uk
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21 Jun 2013 02:55



Nope. No testing selection protocol is listed at or hinted at on that page.
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21 Jun 2013 04:40

Dear Wiggo wrote:Is the MPCC testing protocol (rider / team / date / time selection) documented anywhere?
http://www.mpcc.fr/index.php/fr/actualites/item/165-tests-de-cortisolemie-mode-d-emploi
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