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21 Mar 2012 18:32

The Hitch wrote:Who was the 1 who stayed on? Very impressive to do so in that scenario.


T-Mobile Team (TMO)

181 Alexandre Vinokourov - DNS Etapa 18
(Vino was team leader and was among the many T-Mobilers that lost 17 minutes on Stage 5, finishing almost last, then another 13 the next day. He then lost 6 minutes in a 40km TT and a further 20 minutes over 2 mountain stages, before having a good Sierra Nevada ITT in week 3)

182 Santiago Botero - DNF Etapa 5

183 Cadel Evans - 60
(Evans, unlike the rest of the team, thrived on stage 5, finishing 6th on the day. He performed at a reasonable level for the rest of the week, before coming in with the autobus on Xorret del Catí. After that he was a non-factor in the race, but there are no real terrible results)

184 Torsten Hiekmann - DNF Etapa 5

185 Andreas Klier - DNF Etapa 6
(Klier finished by Vino's side in the last group on stage 5, then climbed off early the next day)

186 Tomas Konecny - DNF Etapa 9
(Konecny finished well on stage 5, 56" down and in the main bunch, then came in with the bus for two days, was almost last in the ITT and climbed off in the mountains a day later)

187 Stefan Schreck - 58
(finished in the bus on stage 5 with Vino and Klier, didn't finish any stage in the top 40, but never outside the top 90 in the last two weeks, so wasn't too bad)

188 Steffen Wesemann - DNF Etapa 5

189 Erik Zabel - 43 (+ points classification)
(finished in the main bunch, in the top 30, on stage 5, then was 2nd two days running after that. Even managed to lose less than 2 minutes on Xorret del Catí)
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21 Mar 2012 19:28

When you have 10 chiefs and no indians....you have a problem. And it isn't doping related, it is ego related.

Good luck managing that madness. Like most NBA team, there are always the prima donnas. If they whine like a bunch of babies enough, they will fire the coach and find another thinking that will solve the problem.
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22 Mar 2012 05:09

zigmeister wrote:When you have 10 chiefs and no indians....you have a problem. And it isn't doping related, it is ego related.

Good luck managing that madness. Like most NBA team, there are always the prima donnas. If they whine like a bunch of babies enough, they will fire the coach and find another thinking that will solve the problem.


While I agree there's probably too many chiefs, you also have the problem of those chiefs all having hooks dangling off the back of their bikes. The minute a chief attacks SOMEONE will jump on their wheel and just sit there knowing full well they are doing a great job sticking to the BMC star.

If we see no results, then a May(?) team training camp in Tenerife followed by *amazing* results in July, then I think it will be time to dust off this thread.
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22 Mar 2012 22:02

DirtyWorks wrote:<snip>

If we see no results, then a May(?) team training camp in Tenerife followed by *amazing* results in July, then I think it will be time to dust off this thread.


I wonder will Rihs be stupid enough to take big risks again. I hope he has bought out McQuaid, met the head of the Lausanne lab and the Cologne lab too...;)
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23 Mar 2012 03:06

danjo007 wrote:perhaps you are, and have only just realized how stupid this thread is.


hey man are you or is your avatar holding a giant CORNDOG? I am very hungry ...grrrrrrrrrr
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23 Mar 2012 03:12

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blackcat wrote:konecny Evans and Zabel held out. Which made me deluded thinking CE possibly, could not be on a program.


Man I wish...... CE was not. He is my favorite....fan fanatic at the time.


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23 Mar 2012 11:38

Evans was a pariah at T-Mobile, so I think it's likely that he wasn't in the team program. Which doesn't mean he didn't have a program of his own, of course.
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23 Mar 2012 11:59

hrotha wrote:Evans was a pariah at T-Mobile, so I think it's likely that he wasn't in the team program. Which doesn't mean he didn't have a program of his own, of course.


There's more to social interaction than doping programs. It's not exactly a secret that Evans can be a little tricky to get along with, it's entirely possible he was on the same program, but just widely disliked.
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23 Mar 2012 12:23

Caruut wrote:There's more to social interaction than doping programs. It's not exactly a secret that Evans can be a little tricky to get along with, it's entirely possible he was on the same program, but just widely disliked.

Of course, it's possible, but combined with the Vuelta episode and the fact that Evans was left out of the Tour despite being clearly in form could be interpreted as Evans not being deemed trustworthy enough to enter the core "cadre" where team doping happened. We know or suspect that true, open team-wide doping ended at about the time of Festina. At US Postal, only the hardcore Tour squad seemed to be on the team program. Liberty riders were referred to Fuentes individually and didn't know who else worked with him, if we believe what Jaksche said. What I said about Evans is just a hypothesis, but currently I find it pretty likely.
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23 Mar 2012 17:47

Gilbert missing Omega Pharma's input this year??? :D While Bottle seems to be rocking, even going on the attack this week....:eek:
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18 Aug 2012 14:32

Blanks for Evans (mostly), Gilbert, Thor, Tour team.

Could be lots of other things.

Or could it be they're not on the juice? Or did the preparations go wrong?

So far we have persistent viruses, sinus infections, and rotten teeth. Sounds like code for blood storage gone wrong ;)
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27 Aug 2012 19:12

Ripper wrote:Blanks for Evans (mostly), Gilbert, Thor, Tour team.

Could be lots of other things.

Or could it be they're not on the juice? Or did the preparations go wrong?

So far we have persistent viruses, sinus infections, and rotten teeth. Sounds like code for blood storage gone wrong ;)


You got that right - now Evans has THE VIRUS - same as Hushovd :rolleyes:
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27 Aug 2012 19:24

Cycle Chic wrote:You got that right - now Evans has THE VIRUS - same as Hushovd :rolleyes:


He said crook knee.
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27 Aug 2012 19:27

Caruut wrote:This takes the mick, a bit, don't you think? It gets a bit OTT, but is still understandable, when people say "he's doing well, he must be doped". But now if a team is doing badly, it's because they've doped.


I'm pretty sure mediocrity is a sign of doping to.
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27 Aug 2012 19:27

CN now reporting it's a low grade infection. :confused:
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27 Aug 2012 19:47

the big ring wrote:CN now reporting it's a low grade infection. :confused:


It seems as if there are a lot of long lasting low grade virus thingies going around....:confused:
...right, and bad teeth too.
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28 Aug 2012 03:17

mewmewmew13 wrote:It seems as if there are a lot of long lasting low grade virus thingies going around....:confused:
...right, and bad teeth too.


Cobo has bad teeth too, although he is not in BMC. Is nowadays a bad teeth a new code? LOL
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28 Aug 2012 04:02

I call it the Sastre Virus. Win the Tour one year, fall off the face of the earth the next.

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ElChingon wrote:I call it the Sastre Virus. Win the Tour one year, fall off the face of the earth the next.

Cure = Retire

Sastre followed up his TDF win by first podiuming at the Vuelta and then finishing 3rd + 2 stage wins at the Giro...:rolleyes:
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23 May 2013 16:35

Picked up some magazine today cos i had a few minutes to spare, looked at a few pages, 1 was an interview with Andy Rhis.
He was asked about Floyd Landis and he said that he got everyone to promise him that they wouldnt dope and he was sure that the whole team was clean but evil Landis went out all on his own and broke that promise.

Landis, the only rider to dope after 2006:o
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The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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