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22 Feb 2018 08:35

I thought it was a decent article and a lot of it I agreed with Wiggins.

You can see he is bitter with what happened with Jiffygate. He wasnt shouting about these changes when he was in the cicrle getting cheques thrown at him left right and centre though.

I would have liked to see Josh Edmonson have the opportunity to have gone to a Wiggins team though. Rather than straight to Sky. I just hope what Wiggins is saying about how he wants the team to be run and for is true.
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22 Feb 2018 20:52

I honestly doubt Wiggo cares about the doping process. If you are a GC rider, doing drugs is as common as brushing your teeth.

I think he is talking about the sterile aesthetics of Team Sky. Froome's superiority in the Grand Tours and MTFs is not pleasant to watch for the spectators and cycling nerds. They want to mythic battles between equal opponents and teams.

Most people want to root for the "little guy" or the rider with flaws. It's more authentic. That is why Contador went from being hated to being a fan favorite and iconic figure. By not winning too much, you win people's hearts.

And I think Sky know that. Froome's Tour/Vuelta-double was actually a more toned-down version of him. There will not be another Ax3 Domaines or Col de la Pierre St Martin.
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25 Feb 2018 15:57

Wisniowski? Big jump in performance
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25 Feb 2018 16:10

LaFlorecita wrote:Wisniowski? Big jump in performance


and I am loving it

eheheh ;)
today 8th
2 years ago 5th with Quick-Step

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/kuurne-brussel-kuurne/2016
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25 Feb 2018 16:27

pastronef wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Wisniowski? Big jump in performance


and I am loving it

eheheh ;)
today 8th
2 years ago 5th with Quick-Step

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/kuurne-brussel-kuurne/2016


Yesterday 2nd
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25 Feb 2018 16:34

There are so many other things about Sky worth questioning before being surprised by Wisniowski showing what a beast he is.
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25 Feb 2018 16:59

LaFlorecita wrote:
pastronef wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Wisniowski? Big jump in performance


and I am loving it

eheheh ;)
today 8th
2 years ago 5th with Quick-Step

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/kuurne-brussel-kuurne/2016


Yesterday 2nd


I loved that too :)
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25 Feb 2018 16:59

LaFlorecita wrote:
pastronef wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Wisniowski? Big jump in performance


and I am loving it

eheheh ;)
today 8th
2 years ago 5th with Quick-Step

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/kuurne-brussel-kuurne/2016


Yesterday 2nd


taking full advantage of the fluffy pillows
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25 Feb 2018 17:23

pastronef wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
pastronef wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Wisniowski? Big jump in performance


and I am loving it

eheheh ;)
today 8th
2 years ago 5th with Quick-Step

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/kuurne-brussel-kuurne/2016


Yesterday 2nd


I loved that too :)

I thought so ;)
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25 Feb 2018 18:54

LaFlorecita wrote:
pastronef wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
pastronef wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Wisniowski? Big jump in performance


and I am loving it

eheheh ;)
today 8th
2 years ago 5th with Quick-Step

https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/kuurne-brussel-kuurne/2016


Yesterday 2nd


I loved that too :)

I thought so ;)


Going by your avatar you are probably good at spotting dopers :D

It's a mark of how cynical the sport and it's spectators have become that Froome's attack on Ventoux is not regarded as panache.
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26 Feb 2018 11:26

Parker wrote:I just posted some facts.
I guess Wiggins is referring more to Sky's Tour de France dominance also combined with the Team performance the rest of the season too.
If we look back to Armstrong's Tour dominance, US Postal Team in terms of UCI World ranking were really very poor each year barely scraping into the top 10 teams most years, unlike Sky who float around top 3 with Movistar and Quickstep who all have incredible depth to their riders throughout the season.
Depends what ranking system you use of course for the current day. The CQ ranking tends to favour teams with more all-round depth like Quickstep & and UCI ranking tends to favour the more Grand Tour focused teams like Sky & Movistar. Sky are certainly not running away with it though, it's often very very close each year who emerges ontop.
If we take UCI's rankings, Sky have only topped it in 2012 and 2017. Movistar or Quickstep generally pip them on points by a little. Valverde's long season probably just about makes the different for Movistar in both CQ or UCI rankings.
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26 Feb 2018 11:49

macbindle wrote:
Going by your avatar you are probably good at spotting dopers :D

It's a mark of how cynical the sport and it's spectators have become that Froome's attack on Ventoux is not regarded as panache.

It is not the doping that bothers me, it's the arrogance
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26 Feb 2018 11:54

LaFlorecita wrote:
macbindle wrote:
Going by your avatar you are probably good at spotting dopers :D

It's a mark of how cynical the sport and it's spectators have become that Froome's attack on Ventoux is not regarded as panache.

It is not the doping that bothers me, it's the arrogance

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26 Feb 2018 12:19

TourOfSardinia wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
macbindle wrote:
Going by your avatar you are probably good at spotting dopers :D

It's a mark of how cynical the sport and it's spectators have become that Froome's attack on Ventoux is not regarded as panache.

It is not the doping that bothers me, it's the arrogance

Thumbs Up!
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Ah ... #7 ... the deadly sin that keeps on giving and giving ... opportunities for attack by the Cinic downtrodden ... upon those pedestal peddlers/pedalers ... at the top of some HC climb. Soldier on, lads. You've just about got 'em.
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26 Feb 2018 13:46

Image
Superbia HC indeed.
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27 Feb 2018 06:10

TourOfSardinia wrote:Image
Superbia HC indeed.

Looks like hard, marginal gains oriented training. Froome at the end of this train, I guess.
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27 Feb 2018 07:02

LaFlorecita wrote:
macbindle wrote:
Going by your avatar you are probably good at spotting dopers :D

It's a mark of how cynical the sport and it's spectators have become that Froome's attack on Ventoux is not regarded as panache.

It is not the doping that bothers me, it's the arrogance


And yet your post was all about spotting what you consider to be suspicious and potentially doped performances. Nothing to do with arrogance.

I found Contador's attempt to convince us that a widely used PED entering his system from a specific piece of meat from a specific butcher to be arrogance in the extreme. Indeed, as a rider he was widely known to be disliked due to arrogance.

I agree with you that Team Sky have displayed spectacular arrogance, but I see a fair dose of wilful blindness where it suits and an application of double-standards in quite a number of posts hereabouts.

I don't particularly care that much about this, but I do think that ultimately if the sport is to change then everyone has to go under the bus.
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27 Feb 2018 08:54

macbindle wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
macbindle wrote:
Going by your avatar you are probably good at spotting dopers :D

It's a mark of how cynical the sport and it's spectators have become that Froome's attack on Ventoux is not regarded as panache.

It is not the doping that bothers me, it's the arrogance


And yet your post was all about spotting what you consider to be suspicious and potentially doped performances. Nothing to do with arrogance.

I found Contador's attempt to convince us that a widely used PED entering his system from a specific piece of meat from a specific butcher to be arrogance in the extreme. Indeed, as a rider he was widely known to be disliked due to arrogance.

I agree with you that Team Sky have displayed spectacular arrogance, but I see a fair dose of wilful blindness where it suits and an application of double-standards in quite a number of posts hereabouts.

I don't particularly care that much about this, but I do think that ultimately if the sport is to change then everyone has to go under the bus.


He wasn't trying to convince us, but the UCI and WADA, and that was perfectly justified way of legal defence. And it was perfectly possible that tiny amount of clenbuterol he had came that way in his organism. The other thing is that I don't believe in that, nor did UCI, or WADA, or CAS. There's no arrogance in that.

And no, he was not widely known as an arrogant, nor disliked because of that.
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27 Feb 2018 09:01

You obviously haven't heard what his team mates thought of him.

And no, you are also wrong in yourestimation of Contador's doping defence.
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27 Feb 2018 09:12

macbindle wrote:You obviously haven't heard what his team mates thought of him.

And no, you are also wrong in yourestimation of Contador's doping defence.


What teammates? Basso? Jesus Hernandez? Sagan? Mick Rogers? Tirralongo? Sergio Paulinho? Or you think Roman Kreuziger's opinion on Contador should be most important of all, and binding for all of us? :rolleyes:
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