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30 Jul 2015 12:35

70kmph wrote:O Symetric chain rings


I seemed to remember the big deal when q rings came out. Most of the Garmin riders used them and most of them have now stopped using them. In fact Rotor designed a normal ring that looks like a Q ring.
If they made that much difference riders would still be using them.
Obviously the O rings are more extreme but they have not taken over the peloton in any major way.
If the gains were so good every one would be using them,,,easily be re badged for sponsors as is the norm for pro teams.
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30 Jul 2015 18:31

I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong. Whilst parental support matters for any sporting success, to claim that professional cycling in the UK is the preserve of the wealthy upper classes is just drivel, frankly. I'm not going to debate the point further with you.[/quote]


Sorry but I am not wrong at all as I am not saying it is the preserve of the wealthy

You originally said this :
"You are way off with that stuff. I've lived in the UK on and off for a couple of decades and cycling is a sport for plebs. Polo is where the nobs hang out, what."

Which is a statement that cycling is for the common low class plebs of society (your words not mine) - The fact that you are obviously some sort of wannabe snob, and think like that and use words such as plebs to describe cyclists in the UK, is bad enough in itself - So my point was to debunk this stupid comment and not to prove that all of cycling is the preserve of the wealthy

I would suggest in future you try to keep track of the garbage you spout so you can at least keep up with the arguments to prove how idiotic they are.
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30 Jul 2015 18:39

That post of mine you just quoted was an exaggeration for comic effect, in other words satire. It was in response to Blackcat's satirical depiction of Brit cyclists as products of the highest echelons of Brit society.

You might want to review your post in the light of that, and maybe remove the insults.

W xxx
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31 Jul 2015 13:38

Really; nicely being able to change the tune of your original post to a satirical insult of the cyclists in the UK after the fact is a rather handy excuse once you've been called out on your insulting language and version of the world as you see it.

Unfortunately people don't know if you are intending to be funny as
A: you never actually said anything funny.
B: Most people realise satire is a very difficult thing to do in black and white without inflection or explanation
C: it would have been the first funny post I have seen from you in any forum and even then it wasn't funny.

So I am afraid my opinion of you wont change away from the person living elsewhere who thinks they know something about the uk because they served beer in a pub there once and read the sun newspaper which was left on the bar.


Now that for your information is satire as I am inducing that you are from the southern hemisphere - either originally or now - you were in the UK and everyone knows that all southerners are good for is bar tending jobs, and you obviously read the sun as it is a murdoch newspaper and we all love him around here for his relationship to sky.

Have a great weekend
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31 Jul 2015 14:34

wendybnt wrote:That post of mine you just quoted was an exaggeration for comic effect, in other words satire. It was in response to Blackcat's satirical depiction of Brit cyclists as products of the highest echelons of Brit society.

You might want to review your post in the light of that, and maybe remove the insults.

W xxx


actually, I never meant to insinuate that the cyclists from the UK were from the aristocracy. I was merely taking a hammer for the satire of the entire UK. yeah, picking out one social strata, can see how it may not have even been ambiguous, it could be interpreted the way you did. I was just doing it for the laffs[sic]
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31 Jul 2015 15:59

Chris Morris can mediate an you will all be friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY
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18 Sep 2016 16:37

Rob27172 wrote:1. Find weird disease no one has heard of
2. Play on the publics lack of knowledge about cycling in the uk and pretend all cyclists are way behind other sports = marginal gains
3. Publicize your zero tolerance policy
4 Hire a shed load of dodgy riders, dodgy DS staff, Dodgy doctors.
5. Get the press in your pocket using Murdoch empire
6. Get UCI in your pocket by ensuring they cant afford to go up against you in court
7. Get ASO in your pocket by making sure they cant afford to lose another leader of the TDF and destroy their own race
8. Get a reporter in your pocket to write **** about how wonderful the team is
9. Find a number of good track riders who you have had on the gear for years in the track program and bring them onto the road team
10. Get a lead in to the latest drugs to make sure you are ahead of the curve
11. Build a team based upon a nationalist program with massive sponsorship to make sure you have more money and more clout than anyone else.
12. Complain about not enough testing
13. proclaim how many hundreds of tests you have passed and never tested positive
14. Proclaim how immaculate your preperation for the tour is compared to everyone else.
15. Make a program about how your star rider has a physiology that is different to everyone else
16. Acquire TUE's for any potential issue that might be found out - whether they were in time or backdated
17. Ride climbs quicker than proven dopers and still proclaim you are clean
18. Watch as ex team mates get busted for drugs and proclaim dismay at how they fell of the right road after leaving the team

Oh now which team am I describing - is it sky or USPS I am confused as it appears that the lists would be identical

And yet still there are people out there that believe history isn't repeating itself and a nation where cycling is a minority sport with no infrastructure and roads that are deadly for cyclists in any large number, can suddenly produce world class cyclists that can destroy cycling powerhouses from other parts of the world.- Oh am i talking about the USA or UK; again I am confused !!!


Good foresight! :surprised:
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02 Mar 2017 01:10

JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:
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03 Mar 2017 01:54

thehog wrote:
JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:

If only Emma Pooley had said that the Jiffy bag was for her :lol:
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03 Mar 2017 07:09

thehog wrote:
JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:


this was disingenuous.

we could discern the truth 5 years ago.

How many times does the emperor's clothes fable need to play out?
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03 Mar 2017 07:17

you know, I prefer the USPS lunchbags and Kik Armstrong, than Cope and jiffy bags.

I have a soft spot for Doc Allen Lim's rice bombs in slipstream musettes. cos we know garmin slipstream did things the right way and Lim knew nothing about Landis innit.

#AllenLim #ftw #ricebombs some vinegar, some honey, some eggs, some rice, a rice cooker, then alfoil for the bomb in the musette. aluminium foil #alfoil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwt-DUpKPYA
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03 Mar 2017 15:39

42x16ss wrote:
thehog wrote:
JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:

If only Emma Pooley had said that the Jiffy bag was for her :lol:


True, that's why we have a women's team and a women's coach, so they can be the cover story for the men's doping :lol:
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03 Mar 2017 21:20

blackcat wrote:
thehog wrote:
JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:


this was disingenuous.

we could discern the truth 5 years ago.

How many times does the emperor's clothes fable need to play out?


groundhog day in sport. The cycle will never be broken( :lol: ), it is a chameleon and changes to suit the environment of the given time.
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03 Mar 2017 21:51

Didn't you know? It's possible to train mechanical efficiency in cycling by something like 18.5%. It was published in a peer-reviewed journal. Some case study on this Lance Armstrong dude I think.
Veni, Vidi, Kirby

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03 Mar 2017 22:56

thehog wrote:
JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:

The noose is starting to tighten...but it may take another 5 years until the whole truth comes out...
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03 Mar 2017 23:30

Tonton wrote:
thehog wrote:
JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:

The noose is starting to tighten...but it may take another 5 years until the whole truth comes out...


What's the word in France Tonton? Time is up for Sky?
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07 Mar 2017 01:39

thehog wrote:
42x16ss wrote:
thehog wrote:
JA.Tri wrote:Maybe in 5 years time we will be able to discern the truth...

Maybe??


Funny enough, we are at the 5 year later mark.. :cool:

If only Emma Pooley had said that the Jiffy bag was for her :lol:


True, that's why we have a women's team and a women's coach, so they can be the cover story for the men's doping :lol:
He obviously wasn't coaching the women's team, because anyone who had spent more than a few minutes with Pooley wouldn't even consider trying something that stupid :lol:
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08 Jul 2018 16:08

Rob27172 wrote:1. Find weird disease no one has heard of
2. Play on the publics lack of knowledge about cycling in the uk and pretend all cyclists are way behind other sports = marginal gains
3. Publicize your zero tolerance policy
4 Hire a shed load of dodgy riders, dodgy DS staff, Dodgy doctors.
5. Get the press in your pocket using Murdoch empire
6. Get UCI in your pocket by ensuring they cant afford to go up against you in court
7. Get ASO in your pocket by making sure they cant afford to lose another leader of the TDF and destroy their own race
8. Get a reporter in your pocket to write **** about how wonderful the team is
9. Find a number of good track riders who you have had on the gear for years in the track program and bring them onto the road team
10. Get a lead in to the latest drugs to make sure you are ahead of the curve
11. Build a team based upon a nationalist program with massive sponsorship to make sure you have more money and more clout than anyone else.
12. Complain about not enough testing
13. proclaim how many hundreds of tests you have passed and never tested positive
14. Proclaim how immaculate your preperation for the tour is compared to everyone else.
15. Make a program about how your star rider has a physiology that is different to everyone else
16. Acquire TUE's for any potential issue that might be found out - whether they were in time or backdated
17. Ride climbs quicker than proven dopers and still proclaim you are clean
18. Watch as ex team mates get busted for drugs and proclaim dismay at how they fell of the right road after leaving the team

Oh now which team am I describing - is it sky or USPS I am confused as it appears that the lists would be identical

And yet still there are people out there that believe history isn't repeating itself and a nation where cycling is a minority sport with no infrastructure and roads that are deadly for cyclists in any large number, can suddenly produce world class cyclists that can destroy cycling powerhouses from other parts of the world.- Oh am i talking about the USA or UK; again I am confused !!!


The crystal ball has worked well :cool:
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08 Jul 2018 22:50

thehog wrote:
Rob27172 wrote:1. Find weird disease no one has heard of
2. Play on the publics lack of knowledge about cycling in the uk and pretend all cyclists are way behind other sports = marginal gains
3. Publicize your zero tolerance policy
4 Hire a shed load of dodgy riders, dodgy DS staff, Dodgy doctors.
5. Get the press in your pocket using Murdoch empire
6. Get UCI in your pocket by ensuring they cant afford to go up against you in court
7. Get ASO in your pocket by making sure they cant afford to lose another leader of the TDF and destroy their own race
8. Get a reporter in your pocket to write **** about how wonderful the team is
9. Find a number of good track riders who you have had on the gear for years in the track program and bring them onto the road team
10. Get a lead in to the latest drugs to make sure you are ahead of the curve
11. Build a team based upon a nationalist program with massive sponsorship to make sure you have more money and more clout than anyone else.
12. Complain about not enough testing
13. proclaim how many hundreds of tests you have passed and never tested positive
14. Proclaim how immaculate your preperation for the tour is compared to everyone else.
15. Make a program about how your star rider has a physiology that is different to everyone else
16. Acquire TUE's for any potential issue that might be found out - whether they were in time or backdated
17. Ride climbs quicker than proven dopers and still proclaim you are clean
18. Watch as ex team mates get busted for drugs and proclaim dismay at how they fell of the right road after leaving the team

Oh now which team am I describing - is it sky or USPS I am confused as it appears that the lists would be identical

And yet still there are people out there that believe history isn't repeating itself and a nation where cycling is a minority sport with no infrastructure and roads that are deadly for cyclists in any large number, can suddenly produce world class cyclists that can destroy cycling powerhouses from other parts of the world.- Oh am i talking about the USA or UK; again I am confused !!!


The crystal ball has worked well :cool:


So much of that is Sky related. So much.
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09 Jul 2018 19:51

1. Find weird disease no one has heard of
2. Play on the publics lack of knowledge about cycling in the uk and pretend all cyclists are way behind other sports = marginal gains
3. Publicize your zero tolerance policy
4 Hire a shed load of dodgy riders, dodgy DS staff, Dodgy doctors.
5. Get the press in your pocket using Murdoch empire
6. Get UCI in your pocket by ensuring they can’t afford to go up against you in court
7. Get [WADA] in your pocket by making sure they can’t afford to [let ASO] ban a leader of the TDF and destroy that race
8. Get a [drug company official] in your pocket to write **** about how clean the [rider] is

9. Find a number of good track riders who you have had on the gear for years in the track program and bring them onto the road team
10. Get a lead in to the latest drugs to make sure you are ahead of the curve
11. Build a team based upon a nationalist program with massive sponsorship to make sure you have more money and more clout than anyone else.
12. Complain about not enough testing
13. proclaim how many hundreds of tests you have passed and never tested positive
14. Proclaim how immaculate your preparation for the tour is compared to everyone else.
15. Make a [computer] program [that proves] your star rider has a physiology that is different to everyone else
16. Acquire TUE's for any potential issue that might be found out - whether they were in time or backdated
17. Ride climbs quicker than proven dopers and still proclaim you are clean
18. Watch as [other riders] get busted for drugs and proclaim dismay [that they lacked the funds to buy a favorable decision].
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