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Re: Froome Talk Only

10 May 2017 11:52

When I was a club runner about 12 or so years ago we used to do cool-downs after evening interval sessions and tempo sessions.

We used to then spend a few minutes stretching, maybe this will be the next marginal gain.
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10 May 2017 12:41

ebandit wrote:BS? did team sky ever say they were 1st?...............................sure! it has been stated that it's good practice and many riders/teams did not..................

Mark L


Sky may not have stated they were first but their no.1 fan* made it sound like they were.



*See David Walsh.
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11 May 2017 00:53

Benotti69 wrote:
ebandit wrote:BS? did team sky ever say they were 1st?...............................sure! it has been stated that it's good practice and many riders/teams did not..................

Mark L


Sky may not have stated they were first but their no.1 fan* made it sound like they were.



*See David Walsh.

There are actually a lot of brainwashed idiots that think they were first
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11 May 2017 06:01

Aside from the fact that cool downs have been in vogue for decades, let's look at the lies in that post. That Sky brought it in. Garmin did it, Astana did it pre 2010, CSC did it.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

11 May 2017 12:23

Nellyspania wrote:When I was a club runner about 12 or so years ago we used to do cool-downs after evening interval sessions and tempo sessions.

We used to then spend a few minutes stretching, maybe this will be the next marginal gain.



Warm downs and warm ups have exisited since the beginning of time. The change was the wind trainer. When they became light enough it made better sense for teams to warm up and down at the front of the team bus rather than ride the streets or back down the mountain. Due to this it meant the media could take footage of the riders. It is much a marketing concept as good sports practice.

Delgado in the 1989 Tour de France was late for the opening prologue because he got lost in the small streets, warming up. It had always been there, it just wasn't always visible.

The concept is not new and every rider and team warmed up & down.
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11 May 2017 17:27

...ahh, but Team Sky were the first to put a press release out about it.

Credit where credit is due, please.
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11 May 2017 21:27

mcduff wrote:...ahh, but Team Sky were the first to put a press release out about it.

Credit where credit is due, please.


Oh well if we are going to give them credit where it is due, we have to point out that Team Sky were the first team to appoint a 'Head of Winning Behaviours' :lol:

That is why TeamSky are the best team in the world. ;)
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12 May 2017 08:32

that's funny.....'head of winning behaviours'....but was it a winning move?

did team sky then go on to win more races...........................

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12 May 2017 09:48

Benotti69 wrote:
mcduff wrote:...ahh, but Team Sky were the first to put a press release out about it.

Credit where credit is due, please.


Oh well if we are going to give them credit where it is due, we have to point out that Team Sky were the first team to appoint a 'Head of Winning Behaviours' :lol:

That is why TeamSky are the best team in the world. ;)

They are the best in the world because they win the most coveted prize in cycling and have the strongest GT rider of the past 5 years. :) :razz:
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Re: Froome Talk Only

01 Jun 2017 23:49

Michelle Cound should sue Lebron James. He and some doctor are claiming that he tried eating less to lose weight without losing muscle. Everyone knows she invented this idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc5j-bPiF9E
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07 Jun 2017 15:23

ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?
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07 Jun 2017 15:42

gmedina wrote:ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?


So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:
SeriousSam wrote: Peña Cabarga is like Froome's Mount Doom, the place where his great power was forged into fearsome weapon. He was never going to lose here
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07 Jun 2017 16:16

silvergrenade wrote:
gmedina wrote:ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?


So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:


Not actually the logic presented. Not close. What was presented were questions, with the underlying assumption that PED's actually enhance performance.

Now if silvergrenade had said, "the only reason he could be underperforming is that he stopped doping", that would fail logic on many levels.
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07 Jun 2017 16:19

silvergrenade wrote:
gmedina wrote:ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?


So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:


Ok, so how do you explain the recent of sub-par performances from Froome this year? Aren't you shocked that Froome got beat almost by 40 seconds by Porte? That is all I am asking. The answer might be that the likes of Porte/Valverde found something better.
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07 Jun 2017 16:27

gmedina wrote:
silvergrenade wrote:
gmedina wrote:ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?


So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:


Ok, so how do you explain the recent of sub-par performances from Froome this year? Aren't you shocked that Froome got beat almost by 40 seconds by Porte? That is all I am asking. The answer might be that the likes of Porte/Valverde found something better.


I think Tony Martin is a useful gauge in all of this. A specialist TT'ist, no way would you have expected Porte to beat Martin by 12 seconds nor Valverde to be within 12 seconds of him. Both of them have put in remarkable performances. They have definitely put in surprising performances though consistent with their seasons form.

Froome was a level below where you would expect him to be based on his post 2011 transformation TT form. Sky as a whole have had a mediocre season until now. The ongoing questions around the jiffy bag story cannot have been good for team morale and the lack of support for Brailsford from Froome earlier in the season is bound to create a bit of friction within. Brailsford has been very low key this seaon and it would be interesting to know if he still has the same control within the team.
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07 Jun 2017 17:29

gmedina wrote:
silvergrenade wrote:
gmedina wrote:ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?


So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:


Ok, so how do you explain the recent of sub-par performances from Froome this year? Aren't you shocked that Froome got beat almost by 40 seconds by Porte? That is all I am asking. The answer might be that the likes of Porte/Valverde found something better.

I can't. Nobody on this forum can.
What I can say is, if he was on a doping program earlier he'd still be on it, scrutiny or no scrutiny. I dont think that scrutiny has affected his performances...ever.
The most logical explanation would be that he has not trained enough this season(dropped off weight) or he is declining and we may never see Froome the way we did in the earlier years.
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07 Jun 2017 18:26

Pre juice Chris Froome used to finish anywhere from outside the top 30 to outside the top 100 on tts like this.

He had 1 or 2 performances where he would scrape the top 20 (16th 2008 TDF) (17th Worl TT 2009) and these were his absolute best days which he would later rave about as if he had actually won the tt's.

Very very hard to believe a non juice Chris Froome could even dream about a top 10 tt in a field like this.
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07 Jun 2017 19:45

The Hitch wrote:Pre juice Chris Froome used to finish anywhere from outside the top 30 to outside the top 100 on tts like this.

He had 1 or 2 performances where he would scrape the top 20 (16th 2008 TDF) (17th Worl TT 2009) and these were his absolute best days which he would later rave about as if he had actually won the tt's.

Very very hard to believe a non juice Chris Froome could even dream about a top 10 tt in a field like this.



Following this logic, then it would follow either (a) that Porte and Valverde have found better (beet root?) juice; or (b) that Froome is in decline from either (i) drinking lower quality juice; (ii) age/lack of training.

When is the next major mountain climb so we get an idea of the w/kg?
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07 Jun 2017 19:47

Lol some people believe hes not on juice anymore ? lol

If that was the case hed just retire straight after winning last Tour why even bother

Hes not mentally retarded :lol:
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Re: Froome Talk Only

07 Jun 2017 20:29

well, make a choice you posters :D is it juice or motor? bad juice or moto dont work? ;)
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