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16 Jul 2017 15:39

Froome burned through all of his team mates and even had Landa drop down from the front group to pull him the last bit. It was Sky going full pelt for their leader while AG2R were using journeyman climbers like Gautier to set the pace. Nothing overly suspicious.

It was sheer amateur hour from the other favorites once Froome made contact again, though. Just one attempt at an attack long after Froome regrouped (from Bardet) and they didn't even make him close it by himself. I guess it was too far from the finish for any of them to want to chance it.
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16 Jul 2017 15:44

Saint Unix wrote:Froome burned through all of his team mates and even had Landa drop down from the front group to pull him the last bit. It was Sky going full pelt for their leader while AG2R were using journeyman climbers like Gautier to set the pace. Nothing overly suspicious.

It was sheer amateur hour from the other favorites once Froome made contact again, though. Just one attempt at an attack long after Froome regrouped (from Bardet) and they didn't even make him close it by himself. I guess it was too far from the finish for any of them to want to chance it.


I thought they weren't on the climb proper yet as the gap was opening up. I guess I'm confused by why the gap was opening in the first place. And since it was, why was he able to start closing the gap after a bike change? Guess I'll have to look it up on YouTube later. Like I said, in writing it all sounds a bit weird.

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16 Jul 2017 15:48

They were on their way into the climb and AG2R had started to set a high pace when Froome punctured and had to get a rear wheel from a team mate. Sky spent the first half of the climb to get back, spending Nieve, Henao and Kiriyenka in the process, as well as pulling Landa back for the final haul. Definitely cost them a lot of energy, but none of the other teams were willing to risk anything to try and capitalize.
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16 Jul 2017 15:51

Saint Unix wrote:They were on their way into the climb and AG2R had started to set a high pace when Froome punctured and had to get a rear wheel from a team mate. Sky spent the first half of the climb to get back, spending Nieve, Henao and Kiriyenka in the process, as well as pulling Landa back for the final haul. Definitely cost them a lot of energy, but none of the other teams were willing to risk anything to try and capitalize.

That makes a lot more sense. The way it was reported was gap opening up as AG2R gunned it. Then a mechanical and bike change. Then coming back to the group on the climb.

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16 Jul 2017 17:54

Froome with another mechanical before a key climb.
Jalabert not buying it:
https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/886639781609971712

Froome being offered Floyd's "broken spoke" excuse, but prefers "broken wheel":
https://twitter.com/letouzet/status/886621702163136512
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16 Jul 2017 18:33

Sky claim keeping riders healthy (by washing hands) is a marginal gain.

Sky riders end up getting Ill more often and Froome gets ill in last week of tdf(though still rides a 40 minute alpe d hues)



Sky claim having too mechanics and better bikes is a marginal gain.

Froome ends up having mechanical all the time.
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16 Jul 2017 19:43

sniper wrote:Froome with another mechanical before a key climb.
Jalabert not buying it:
https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/886639781609971712

Froome being offered Floyd's "broken spoke" excuse, but prefers "broken wheel":
https://twitter.com/letouzet/status/886621702163136512


So these magic wheels must be worth more than 50 seconds over an approx 8km climb then?

Feels like an awful lot to lose just to pointlessly gain back again.
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16 Jul 2017 19:49

simoni wrote:
sniper wrote:Froome with another mechanical before a key climb.
Jalabert not buying it:
https://twitter.com/oufeh/status/886639781609971712

Froome being offered Floyd's "broken spoke" excuse, but prefers "broken wheel":
https://twitter.com/letouzet/status/886621702163136512


So these magic wheels must be worth more than 50 seconds over an approx 8km climb then?

Feels like an awful lot to lose just to pointlessly gain back again.


Suppose the other way to look at it is how much time would you lose without a new bike/wheel/whateveritis at that stage? A lot more than 50 seconds I'd assume.

Has anyone looked at the stats for the number of mechanicals Froome has had? It seems a recurring theme for him. Weird that. More than most?
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16 Jul 2017 20:18

I have never been able to find any kind of stats of riders or races.

I have not followed this tour but have noticed 3 mechanicals from Froome in mountain stages.
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16 Jul 2017 20:25

LOL at Froome getting booed by the spectators up the hill on Stage 15 after the wheel change. Even better: Phil Liggett's bewilderment at why fans could possibly be booing the Great One -- no clue at all as to why that might be happening, total astonishment. :lol:
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16 Jul 2017 20:29

JosephK wrote:LOL at Froome getting booed by the spectators up the hill on Stage 15 after the wheel change. Even better: Phil Liggett's bewilderment at why fans could possibly be booing the Great One -- no clue at all as to why that might be happening, total astonishment. :lol:





Surely they weren't booing.

They were shouting: "Froooooome."
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16 Jul 2017 20:52

Well one thing is sure, he put up his best performance to date in this TdF, climbing 40 seconds faster than his rivals. When he has no choice he hits those magic numbers. I have the feeling we'll see some good ol' full retard on Izoard.
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16 Jul 2017 20:58

If there was ever a time to use a motor that was it.
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16 Jul 2017 21:13

Rollthedice wrote:Well one thing is sure, he put up his best performance to date in this TdF, climbing 40 seconds faster than his rivals. When he has no choice he hits those magic numbers. I have the feeling we'll see some good ol' full retard on Izoard.

I just saw Froome is being estimated at 6.4w/kg on that climb today.
Swart et al had him on 6.25w/kg for 20-40 min. effort.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froomes-physiological-test-data-released/
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16 Jul 2017 22:06

sniper wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:Well one thing is sure, he put up his best performance to date in this TdF, climbing 40 seconds faster than his rivals. When he has no choice he hits those magic numbers. I have the feeling we'll see some good ol' full retard on Izoard.

I just saw Froome is being estimated at 6.4w/kg on that climb today.
Swart et al had him on 6.25w/kg for 20-40 min. effort.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froomes-physiological-test-data-released/


"The engine was there all along," said Swart. "He just lost the fat."

I just saw Dan Martin saying they were all going in the red up the mountain, very high pace and there was only one rider who could've bridged to them, the one and only Chris Froome.
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16 Jul 2017 22:09

#TDF2017, St.15. Col de Peyra Taillade (8.39km, 7.44%, 624m)

Froome 22:00, 6.20 W/kg
GC favorites 22:40, 6.02 W/kg
Barguil 23:15, 5.87 W/kg

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/886707099870408704
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16 Jul 2017 22:13

TMJ wrote:
JosephK wrote:LOL at Froome getting booed by the spectators up the hill on Stage 15 after the wheel change. Even better: Phil Liggett's bewilderment at why fans could possibly be booing the Great One -- no clue at all as to why that might be happening, total astonishment. :lol:





Surely they weren't booing.

They were shouting: "Froooooome."


They're yelling Froo-urns, sir.

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16 Jul 2017 23:01

At least be a bit consistent. First he had a bike change apparently, then he had a suspicious wheel change (From Kwiato), in order to get dropped and for what, to show off his dodgy numbers ? Yes ok.
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16 Jul 2017 23:05

Remarkable performance by Froome today, always capable of pulling it out of the bag when he needs to.
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17 Jul 2017 00:13

JosephK wrote:LOL at Froome getting booed by the spectators up the hill on Stage 15 after the wheel change. Even better: Phil Liggett's bewilderment at why fans could possibly be booing the Great One -- no clue at all as to why that might be happening, total astonishment. :lol:


They weren't booing The Great One.

They were booing Chris Froome.
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