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11 Jan 2018 15:43

Rollthedice wrote:Froome talking to Marca, about 2 months after he was informed of his AAF:

"Cycling and sports in general has lost a lot of credibility recently. This generation of riders has been criticised and discredited, especially from some news media. I can only go about this the right way, open up and take care of the media and the press."

And then he gives another science-fiction explanation of his transformation in Vuelta 2011:
The revelation:

"After the first big mountain, I felt good, I was comfortable with the riders out in front. 'It's not bad', I told myself and that's where my process began, when I saw that I could go with the leaders and that I belonged to that group, I knew I could compete in the best races."

The water virus:

"I had an illness for three years before because of the bilharzia, a water virus that I contracted in Africa. In 2011 that virus began to weaken, and I started to become healthy again. I did revisions every six months and repeated the treatment."

He just lost the fat:

"I lost enough weight, two or three kilos and that made me go further in the mountains."

https://amp.marca.com/en/more-sports/2017/11/08/5a0329d6ca474145658b46e3.html

Another indication that they (Sky/UCI) were absolutely sure this AAF will go away silently...
I ask: How many of those (and not only the Foome's) potentially did go away through those years of "clean era" :rolleyes:
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11 Jan 2018 16:13

glassmoon wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:Froome talking to Marca, about 2 months after he was informed of his AAF:

"Cycling and sports in general has lost a lot of credibility recently. This generation of riders has been criticised and discredited, especially from some news media. I can only go about this the right way, open up and take care of the media and the press."

And then he gives another science-fiction explanation of his transformation in Vuelta 2011:
The revelation:

"After the first big mountain, I felt good, I was comfortable with the riders out in front. 'It's not bad', I told myself and that's where my process began, when I saw that I could go with the leaders and that I belonged to that group, I knew I could compete in the best races."

The water virus:

"I had an illness for three years before because of the bilharzia, a water virus that I contracted in Africa. In 2011 that virus began to weaken, and I started to become healthy again. I did revisions every six months and repeated the treatment."

He just lost the fat:

"I lost enough weight, two or three kilos and that made me go further in the mountains."

https://amp.marca.com/en/more-sports/2017/11/08/5a0329d6ca474145658b46e3.html

Another indication that they (Sky/UCI) were absolutely sure this AAF will go away silently...
I ask: How many of those (and not only the Foome's) potentially did go away through those years of "clean era" :rolleyes:



Have to agree. The new clean era was actually the ‘brush it under the carpet era’.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

11 Jan 2018 16:30

movingtarget wrote:
thehook wrote:Pretty interesting and enlightening comments. In an interview on this site. By Katie Compton. If you have followed her career. She has been an asthmatic. And has had many big races where she had sub par results due to it. She is arguably the greatest women CX rider ever. Definitely in the USA.

Really worth a read. Sheds a lot of light on what a TRUE asthmatic deals with as a PRO Rider.
IMHO


An asthmatic is an asthmatic but it's obvious her condition is more chronic than Froome's and probably not just exercise induced.


It’s not obvious to me that Froome even has asthma, let alone that I know how serious it is or isn’t. Not sure how the severity of his alleged condition could be obvious to anyone. I mean unless you take what Froome says at face value, which has been proven to be folly, so I assume no one would simply accept his story.
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11 Jan 2018 16:40

thehog wrote:
glassmoon wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:Froome talking to Marca, about 2 months after he was informed of his AAF:

"Cycling and sports in general has lost a lot of credibility recently. This generation of riders has been criticised and discredited, especially from some news media. I can only go about this the right way, open up and take care of the media and the press."

And then he gives another science-fiction explanation of his transformation in Vuelta 2011:
The revelation:

"After the first big mountain, I felt good, I was comfortable with the riders out in front. 'It's not bad', I told myself and that's where my process began, when I saw that I could go with the leaders and that I belonged to that group, I knew I could compete in the best races."

The water virus:

"I had an illness for three years before because of the bilharzia, a water virus that I contracted in Africa. In 2011 that virus began to weaken, and I started to become healthy again. I did revisions every six months and repeated the treatment."

He just lost the fat:

"I lost enough weight, two or three kilos and that made me go further in the mountains."

https://amp.marca.com/en/more-sports/2017/11/08/5a0329d6ca474145658b46e3.html

Another indication that they (Sky/UCI) were absolutely sure this AAF will go away silently...
I ask: How many of those (and not only the Foome's) potentially did go away through those years of "clean era" :rolleyes:



Have to agree. The new clean era was actually the ‘brush it under the carpet era’.


Renato di Rocco, boss of the Italian Cycling Federation and more importantly vice-president of UCI since 22 September 2017 says he is perplexed about Sky not suspending Froome as "other teams would have suspended", while Sky has decided not to do so and "there are no other possibilities to stop him riding "

Among other things he is generally satisfied with the evolution of the Italian movement, hoping that they can continue on this trail, despite "four years lost" under the Anglo-Saxon management that has not proved "fair and stable for the evolution of cycling"

http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/worldtour/fci-rocco-la-sky-avrebbe-dovuto-fermare-froome-spero-venga-la-decisione-migliore/
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11 Jan 2018 16:48

glassmoon wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:Froome talking to Marca, about 2 months after he was informed of his AAF:

"Cycling and sports in general has lost a lot of credibility recently. This generation of riders has been criticised and discredited, especially from some news media. I can only go about this the right way, open up and take care of the media and the press."

And then he gives another science-fiction explanation of his transformation in Vuelta 2011:
The revelation:

"After the first big mountain, I felt good, I was comfortable with the riders out in front. 'It's not bad', I told myself and that's where my process began, when I saw that I could go with the leaders and that I belonged to that group, I knew I could compete in the best races."

The water virus:

"I had an illness for three years before because of the bilharzia, a water virus that I contracted in Africa. In 2011 that virus began to weaken, and I started to become healthy again. I did revisions every six months and repeated the treatment."

He just lost the fat:

"I lost enough weight, two or three kilos and that made me go further in the mountains."

https://amp.marca.com/en/more-sports/2017/11/08/5a0329d6ca474145658b46e3.html

Another indication that they (Sky/UCI) were absolutely sure this AAF will go away silently...
I ask: How many of those (and not only the Foome's) potentially did go away through those years of "clean era" :rolleyes:


That is simply incredible. How, with a potentially career-ending (yes.) sanction looming over your head , could you say such as thing? Whatever the outcome I cannot think that Sky/CF could have handled this in a worse way. Just shut up and keep your head down, man! Coverup is always worse than the crime.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

11 Jan 2018 21:13

red_flanders wrote:
movingtarget wrote:
thehook wrote:Pretty interesting and enlightening comments. In an interview on this site. By Katie Compton. If you have followed her career. She has been an asthmatic. And has had many big races where she had sub par results due to it. She is arguably the greatest women CX rider ever. Definitely in the USA.

Really worth a read. Sheds a lot of light on what a TRUE asthmatic deals with as a PRO Rider.
IMHO


An asthmatic is an asthmatic but it's obvious her condition is more chronic than Froome's and probably not just exercise induced.


It’s not obvious to me that Froome even has asthma, let alone that I know how serious it is or isn’t. Not sure how the severity of his alleged condition could be obvious to anyone. I mean unless you take what Froome says at face value, which has been proven to be folly, so I assume no one would simply accept his story.


I agree judging by some of his comments which don't sound like the comments of a long term asthmatic. A chronic asthmatic would be struggling to race at the pro level let alone be a champion. And his commentary about the magic puffer and his minimal use of it even when wheezing severely is curious at best. A few extra puffs before and after the stage ? Sounds like science fiction to a long term asthmatic. Usually long term asthmatics are very knowledgeable about their condition and their use of medication. Froome is vague at best and hardly convincing.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

11 Jan 2018 21:30

It’s not obvious to me that Froome even has asthma, let alone that I know how serious it is or isn’t. Not sure how the severity of his alleged condition could be obvious to anyone. I mean unless you take what Froome says at face value, which has been proven to be folly, so I assume no one would simply accept his story.



That's the problem, Froome(and his ball washers) will swear, up, down and sideways that he's "100% cleans", yet more info keeps coming out that he's not and hasn't been.

I get a chuckle at the excuse generator Froome and his posse keep trying to spin. :rolleyes:
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Re: Froome Talk Only

12 Jan 2018 03:24

red_flanders wrote:
movingtarget wrote:
thehook wrote:Pretty interesting and enlightening comments. In an interview on this site. By Katie Compton. If you have followed her career. She has been an asthmatic. And has had many big races where she had sub par results due to it. She is arguably the greatest women CX rider ever. Definitely in the USA.

Really worth a read. Sheds a lot of light on what a TRUE asthmatic deals with as a PRO Rider.
IMHO


An asthmatic is an asthmatic but it's obvious her condition is more chronic than Froome's and probably not just exercise induced.


It’s not obvious to me that Froome even has asthma, let alone that I know how serious it is or isn’t. Not sure how the severity of his alleged condition could be obvious to anyone. I mean unless you take what Froome says at face value, which has been proven to be folly, so I assume no one would simply accept his story.


You’re a veritable Telepathology Clinic, R.F.

FFS ... :rolleyes:
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12 Jan 2018 07:45

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Re: Froome Talk Only

12 Jan 2018 08:01

MartinGT wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/leaking-of-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-a-blow-to-cyclings-reputation-says-british-cycling-ceo/

Where to start with that? Then they wonder why people think BC is a shower of ****


We could start by pointing out that BC as the National Federation was informed of the AAF as per UCI regulations at the same time with Mr. Froome, UKAD and WADA.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

12 Jan 2018 08:51

Rollthedice wrote:
MartinGT wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/leaking-of-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-a-blow-to-cyclings-reputation-says-british-cycling-ceo/

Where to start with that? Then they wonder why people think BC is a shower of ****


We could start by pointing out that BC as the National Federation was informed of the AAF as per UCI regulations at the same time with Mr. Froome, UKAD and WADA.

and continue with BC CEO's sheer PR incompetency and dilettantism...
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Re: Froome Talk Only

12 Jan 2018 09:53

glassmoon wrote:
Rollthedice wrote:
MartinGT wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/leaking-of-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-a-blow-to-cyclings-reputation-says-british-cycling-ceo/

Where to start with that? Then they wonder why people think BC is a shower of ****


We could start by pointing out that BC as the National Federation was informed of the AAF as per UCI regulations at the same time with Mr. Froome, UKAD and WADA.

and continue with BC CEO's sheer PR incompetency and dilettantism...


BC's new senior executives who were meant to clean house have been made aware that there are still skeletons in the closet

They had a choice get everything out now blame it on the old regime and start afresh or keep on keeping on with the cover ups and PR double speak

No prizes for guessing which route they took...
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Re: Froome Talk Only

12 Jan 2018 10:56

MartinGT wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/leaking-of-chris-froome-salbutamol-case-is-a-blow-to-cyclings-reputation-says-british-cycling-ceo/

Where to start with that? Then they wonder why people think BC is a shower of ****


This is pathetic and terrifying.. no wonder many look at the british cycling / sky ensemble like a tax-evasion-specialist-lawyered up version of the DDR swimming federation... With their astounding results in the last 10 years in cycling, out of basically thin air, culminating with multiple tour wins AND a trampling of the olympic games only ever achieved by east german swimmers, they sure look like a very clever bunch who just used all possible not too illegal tricks (aka the very useful grey area...) to win. And they whine that things deep in that grey area are being exposed while they should have remained invisible...

At this rate we will learn that all their track cyclists had thyroid problems between 9 and 3 months before the olympics.. "all legal, just medical problems, shouldn't have been made public, really not fair play to leak that..."
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12 Jan 2018 11:28

Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.
:(
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12 Jan 2018 11:36

TourOfSardinia wrote:Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.
:(


yep, he crashed yesterday, posted a pic on instagram, jersey ripped
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12 Jan 2018 12:51

TourOfSardinia wrote:Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.
:(

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler ;)
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Re:

12 Jan 2018 13:11

TourOfSardinia wrote:Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.
:(

Yesterday's news I'm afraid..
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12 Jan 2018 13:14

glassmoon wrote:
TourOfSardinia wrote:Gazzetta is reporting that Froome just fell off his bike training in SA.
As http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-01-2018/froome-proprio-anno-nero-cade-allenamento-sudafrica-240856889029.shtml
(italiano)
Froome was heavily hit on the left side of the body, with obvious abrasions at the elbow and hip.
:(

How is it clinic related?
Unless he crashed while reaching for his inhaler ;)

he OD on asthma treatment and it made him go blind, that's why he crashed...

I'm bagging that one
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12 Jan 2018 13:14

Apologies all round guys
on all counts.
sleeping on the job sorry
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