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16 Jan 2018 18:47

If/when this fails, will he really get a two year ban for over-use of a Specified Substance? Could be the end of his career.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

16 Jan 2018 21:54

And it was his kidneys all along. Well I never. None of you guessed that did you?
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16 Jan 2018 22:08

Bolder wrote:
Blanco wrote:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.


Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.

Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.


We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...


You don't get it right. Moser was a champ. You could've saw that from day 1st of his career, until day last. You could've saw that by just looking him riding his bike, he was pure class. That has nothing to do with his results. And on the other side you have some weird physical/mechanical thing, who looks like **** while riding his bike!
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16 Jan 2018 22:13

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-director-calls-on-uci-to-sort-out-chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/
The director of the Giro d’Italia Mauro Vegni has said that the UCI must "sort out" Chris Froome's salbutamol case before the start of this year's Italian Grand Tour. He reiterated that he cannot accept a "compromise solution" that would allow Froome to ride and possibly win the Giro d'Italia only to lose his victory due to a positive anti-doping result from another race, which is what happened to Alberto Contador in 2011.

"We were really happy that Froome was going to ride our race. Now we have to hope that everything will be quickly clarified, for Froome, for the interests of the Giro and for cycling in general," Vegni told L'Equipe.


Froome would not be allowed to start, or is this a call to let him off so he can ride?
"Are you going to believe me or what you see with your own eyes?"

“It doesn’t matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”
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16 Jan 2018 23:35

Blanco wrote:
Bolder wrote:
Blanco wrote:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.


Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.

Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.


We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...


You don't get it right. Moser was a champ. You could've saw that from day 1st of his career, until day last. You could've saw that by just looking him riding his bike, he was pure class. That has nothing to do with his results. And on the other side you have some weird physical/mechanical thing, who looks like **** while riding his bike!


Style and likeability have little to do with true performance as past doping cases have shown. Moser had the pedigree but there was a lot of doubt about him as well. But then to quote a David Bowie line, he didn't appear out of the mist like a "spider from Mars" either.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

17 Jan 2018 00:46

rick james wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:http://www.velonews.com/2018/01/news/bardet-blasts-froome-doping-inquiry-laughing-stock_454828
Bardet blasts Froome over doping inquiry: ‘We are a laughing stock’

Leading French rider Romain Bardet called cycling “a laughing stock” for failing to announce any sanctions against Chris Froome since his adverse doping test during last year’s Vuelta a Espana was revealed.

The fact is we have no business knowing about froomes abnormal reading, we should only know if he gets found guilty and is banned , it was only leaked because it was froome, I do wonder how many riders have had the same problem that we’ve never heard about


Nosiness ... especially a combination of endogenous and exogenous. Now there's a powerful drug. Irony is ... that it's used to treat suspicion, but often generates a paradoxical reaction. Some doctors now recommend a 'wait and see' approach before medicating (with any of the above) for 'degree of uncertainty.'
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17 Jan 2018 06:26

Blanco wrote:
Bolder wrote:
Blanco wrote:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.


Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.

Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.


We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...


You don't get it right. Moser was a champ. You could've saw that from day 1st of his career, until day last. You could've saw that by just looking him riding his bike, he was pure class. That has nothing to do with his results. And on the other side you have some weird physical/mechanical thing, who looks like **** while riding his bike!

let's be more accurate and state "I didn't enjoy seeing him winnning, I didn't want him to win anything, I don't consider him a champ at all" and so on, instead of doing global purely emotional generalizations. ;)
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17 Jan 2018 06:38

dacooley wrote:
Blanco wrote:
Bolder wrote:
Blanco wrote:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.


Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.

Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.


We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...


You don't get it right. Moser was a champ. You could've saw that from day 1st of his career, until day last. You could've saw that by just looking him riding his bike, he was pure class. That has nothing to do with his results. And on the other side you have some weird physical/mechanical thing, who looks like **** while riding his bike!

let's be more accurate and state "I didn't enjoy seeing him winnning, I didn't want him to win anything, I don't consider him a champ at all" and so on, instead of doing global purely emotional generalizations. ;)


Bada boom, bada bing.
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17 Jan 2018 08:09

At thiiwh point, given Froome's unfortunate string of rare medical conditions, I fully expect a small critter to come bursting out of his chest,doing great damage, but miraculously he goes on to winning the tour. The probabilities probably compute to around the same as his medical history.

Then again, Big Bird came out a few years ago.

Edit: From reading a bit of the scientific literature, that Froome had just enough renal failure to cause a poor performance on Stage 17 and Salbutamol to concentrate in his urine - which would mean he didn't take a piss for a long time - and remain that way while blasting stage 18 is ludicrous considering general renal failure symptoms and treatments such as collapse, hospitalization, dialysis, etc. If he managed to come back from this in one stage I want some of that good stuff.

Oscar's razor is that he freaked over feeling shiite on stage 17 and either overdid his PEDS on stage 18 or screwed up his dose, or it was screwed up on him. Who was in the sky car ?
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Re: Froome Talk Only

17 Jan 2018 08:09

Robert5091 wrote:http://www.velonews.com/2018/01/news/bardet-blasts-froome-doping-inquiry-laughing-stock_454828
Bardet blasts Froome over doping inquiry: ‘We are a laughing stock’

Leading French rider Romain Bardet called cycling “a laughing stock” for failing to announce any sanctions against Chris Froome since his adverse doping test during last year’s Vuelta a Espana was revealed.


Bardet must be laughing constantly then at the sport of cycling. The situation with Froome is just another production of Cycling Follies.
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17 Jan 2018 08:28

fmk_RoI wrote:To those arguing due process, saying this should all be private until there's a result: Lizzie Deignan's case would still be private if it hadn't been for the leak. Even now, she refuses to allow CAS to officially make the case notes public.


Apologies for taking this OT, but is there a point that they CAN become public? I/e she can no longer block them?
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17 Jan 2018 09:37

MartinGT wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:To those arguing due process, saying this should all be private until there's a result: Lizzie Deignan's case would still be private if it hadn't been for the leak. Even now, she refuses to allow CAS to officially make the case notes public.


Apologies for taking this OT, but is there a point that they CAN become public? I/e she can no longer block them?


Think it's correct to say that if the athlete is found guilty then the CAS appeal is automatically published but if the athlete is found not guilty it's the athlete's choice and of course the athlete will always block publication
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17 Jan 2018 09:39

Wiggo's Package wrote:
MartinGT wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:To those arguing due process, saying this should all be private until there's a result: Lizzie Deignan's case would still be private if it hadn't been for the leak. Even now, she refuses to allow CAS to officially make the case notes public.


Apologies for taking this OT, but is there a point that they CAN become public? I/e she can no longer block them?


Think it's correct to say that if the athlete is found guilty then the CAS appeal is automatically published but if the athlete is found not guilty it's the athlete's choice and of course the athlete will always block publication due to the incriminating evidence brought forth during said process


just a wee edit :)
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Re:

18 Jan 2018 05:15

macbindle wrote:I've just got to say this. You are all far too harsh on Froome.

For somebody with so many serious illnesses and a malfunctioning kidney he has done amazingly well to win 4 Grand Tours. You should all cut him some slack and stop being so disabilist.

He is an inspiration to all seriously ill people out there...
( :lol: )

Is there a Para-olympic class out there for GT winners without functioning lungs or kidneys?
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18 Jan 2018 09:48

Woah..
Just heard Froomes lawyer going with the Kidney Malfunction Defence.
Laughed for 15 minutes after that.
Man, if he gets away it using this defence, it'll be the coolest thing ever.
Good going Froome. Chapeau!
SeriousSam wrote: Peña Cabarga is like Froome's Mount Doom, the place where his great power was forged into fearsome weapon. He was never going to lose here
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18 Jan 2018 11:40

Robert5091 wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-director-calls-on-uci-to-sort-out-chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/
The director of the Giro d’Italia Mauro Vegni has said that the UCI must "sort out" Chris Froome's salbutamol case before the start of this year's Italian Grand Tour. He reiterated that he cannot accept a "compromise solution" that would allow Froome to ride and possibly win the Giro d'Italia only to lose his victory due to a positive anti-doping result from another race, which is what happened to Alberto Contador in 2011.

"We were really happy that Froome was going to ride our race. Now we have to hope that everything will be quickly clarified, for Froome, for the interests of the Giro and for cycling in general," Vegni told L'Equipe.


Froome would not be allowed to start, or is this a call to let him off so he can ride?


Sounds like he just wants a decision either way, and the last thing he wants is a potential winner/podiummer then being dq'd.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

18 Jan 2018 12:11

Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation? :eek:
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Re: Froome Talk Only

18 Jan 2018 16:26

glassmoon wrote:Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation? :eek:


Aye the UCI :lol:
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18 Jan 2018 17:18

glassmoon wrote:Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation? :eek:


Head over the BikeRadar and yes they are amongst every other ailment he has managed to survive and win four GTs as the same time.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

18 Jan 2018 17:39

thehog wrote:
glassmoon wrote:Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation? :eek:


Head over the BikeRadar and yes they are amongst every other ailment he has managed to survive and win four GTs as the same time.


Yes the BR crew take everything Froome, Brailsfraud, Wiggo, etc say on trust. No matter how implausible the story their critical faculties don't kick in. Some might call that naive. Or over-invested emotionally. Whatever

I mean Froome, Brailsfraud, Wiggo, etc couldn't possibly be be lying/doping toerags could they?! Please don't break my heart! Brit don't dope! Hold the line ffs! :lol:
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