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Re: Froome Talk Only

21 Aug 2018 16:01

rick james wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://www.instagram.com/froomecat/

6,698 followers on Instagram ...

Clinic hits a new low, bringing froomes cats instagram page Up as some sort of doping talk????
Cycling today, huh! Used to be that cyclists had real pets, like dogs. (Good boy Birillo, good boy!) Or llamas. Now look at them. Cats! It'll be hamsters next, you watch. It's no wonder the sport's finances are all screwed up!
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Re: Froome Talk Only

21 Aug 2018 16:21

A cat is no match for a badger.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

21 Aug 2018 16:27

topcat wrote:A cat is no match for a badger.
But you can get more allergy-related TUEs with a cat. All you'll get with a badger is TB.
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21 Aug 2018 18:48

King Boonen wrote:https://www.instagram.com/nala_cat/?hl=en

3.7m followers.

I hate cats, they truly believe your are not worthy of their time, we had 3 cats until recently, one died with the really hot weather we had.....our youngest cat we actually found at the side of the road, me and the missus were out a drive and we were driving the lake of menteith road and a tiny kitten was dead in the the middle of the road, drive on 100 yards and I catch something moving out the corner of my eye, we stop the car and it took us 1 hour to catch this tiny kitten, got it home and kept it, took it to the vet and they believed it was only one week old....but the cats aren’t worthy of any Instagram post, it’s all about the dug
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21 Aug 2018 20:04

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21 Aug 2018 20:14

rick james wrote:
King Boonen wrote:https://www.instagram.com/nala_cat/?hl=en

3.7m followers.

I hate cats, they truly believe your are not worthy of their time, we had 3 cats until recently, one died with the really hot weather we had.....our youngest cat we actually found at the side of the road, me and the missus were out a drive and we were driving the lake of menteith road and a tiny kitten was dead in the the middle of the road, drive on 100 yards and I catch something moving out the corner of my eye, we stop the car and it took us 1 hour to catch this tiny kitten, got it home and kept it, took it to the vet and they believed it was only one week old....but the cats aren’t worthy of any Instagram post, it’s all about the dug

I love both cats and dogs, but alas, I have neither.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

21 Aug 2018 20:59

rick james wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://www.instagram.com/froomecat/

6,698 followers on Instagram ...

Clinic hits a new low, bringing froomes cats instagram page Up as some sort of doping talk????


It was a reply to wansteadimp's post ... Froome has a cat to support! (could n't be bothered with all the quotes back & forth)
"Are you going to believe me or what you see with your own eyes?"

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Re: Froome Talk Only

19 Sep 2018 10:47

poor froomey...thought it was time he had another post...

I see that the WADA Athlete Committee haven't been keeping up with events regarding the non-russians who breach WADA doping, sorry WADA anti-doping protocol....and/or it would have been nice for fellow non-doping :D pro cyclists to speak out like their athlete brethren....

"It is for RUSADA to be compliant, not for WADA to change its conditions to make RUSADA compliant"

I think we can edit this for our hapless hero..............

"It is for Froome to be compliant, not for WADA to change its conditions to make Froome compliant"

WADA eh?!?!?!?!
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19 Sep 2018 11:44

What a pointless bump to this thread
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19 Sep 2018 13:25

rick james wrote:What a pointless bump to this thread


yeah the idea that we need to continue to discuss Froome's obvious doping is a bit OTT at this stage.

:rolleyes:
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19 Sep 2018 14:26

Discuss = make bullish!t up
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19 Sep 2018 21:22

So much Salbutamol i cant see the truth.
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20 Sep 2018 07:02

rick james wrote:What a pointless bump to this thread


if that relates to my post I'm not sure why

WADA getting a bit of flak in mainstream radio this morning about their credibility being blasted re Russia

and yet

the form is already there, them having changed their rules for our hapless hero....

if you don't stick to your own rules......why should anyone else
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20 Sep 2018 09:56

what rules did they change?
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20 Sep 2018 10:12

You know.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

20 Sep 2018 10:16

Equating WADA's dealing of Froome's salbutomol AAF with Russia is hitting new lows in argument. I know the clinic seems to have died a death recently but no need to kill your own common sense with it ; )
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20 Sep 2018 12:00

Arguing Sky and Froome are clean takes one iota of intelligence. But hey that's what it takes to be a sky fan.
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Re: Froome Talk Only

20 Sep 2018 14:06

samhocking wrote:Equating WADA's dealing of Froome's salbutomol AAF with Russia is hitting new lows in argument. I know the clinic seems to have died a death recently but no need to kill your own common sense with it ; )


its exactly the same just on an individual level

here's what the rules say

Except:
• Inhaled salbutamol: maximum 1600 micrograms over
24 hours in divided doses not to exceed 800 micrograms
over 12 hours starting from any dose;
• Inhaled formoterol: maximum delivered dose of
54 micrograms over 24 hours;
• Inhaled salmeterol: maximum 200 micrograms over
24 hours.
The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL
or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is not consistent with
therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an
Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves,
through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the
abnormal result was the consequence of a therapeutic dose
(by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above.


I've helped with the emphasis obvs ;)

So...really simple yes or no question. Did Froome's case follow the rules?

Edit. As a PS...of course that's important as we don't know how his body reacts to the input values of salbutomol which he self reported during the Vuelta...WADA had no way of knowing what they actually were.....so...how would you find that out for any given individual??....yup...a pharmacokinetic study........but you know this ;)
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Re: Froome Talk Only

20 Sep 2018 23:40

gillan1969 wrote:
samhocking wrote:Equating WADA's dealing of Froome's salbutomol AAF with Russia is hitting new lows in argument. I know the clinic seems to have died a death recently but no need to kill your own common sense with it ; )


its exactly the same just on an individual level

here's what the rules say

Except:
• Inhaled salbutamol: maximum 1600 micrograms over
24 hours in divided doses not to exceed 800 micrograms
over 12 hours starting from any dose;
• Inhaled formoterol: maximum delivered dose of
54 micrograms over 24 hours;
• Inhaled salmeterol: maximum 200 micrograms over
24 hours.
The presence in urine of salbutamol in excess of 1000 ng/mL
or formoterol in excess of 40 ng/mL is not consistent with
therapeutic use of the substance and will be considered as an
Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF) unless the Athlete proves,
through a controlled pharmacokinetic study, that the
abnormal result was the consequence of a therapeutic dose
(by inhalation) up to the maximum dose indicated above.


I've helped with the emphasis obvs ;)

So...really simple yes or no question. Did Froome's case follow the rules?

Edit. As a PS...of course that's important as we don't know how his body reacts to the input values of salbutomol which he self reported during the Vuelta...WADA had no way of knowing what they actually were.....so...how would you find that out for any given individual??....yup...a pharmacokinetic study........but you know this ;)


Our hapless anti Froome/Sky deputies still bringing it after the lights were turned off.

Good stuff, lads!

Fight the power. Kinda. :geek:
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21 Sep 2018 06:08

I was afraid this thread had died. But everything is OK, I will have so much laugh & fun.
Next week I would suggest to come back to Finestre stage and calculate one more time these missed seconds. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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