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02 Mar 2017 19:06

hi

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technical instrument error
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03 Mar 2017 15:49

blackcat wrote:technical instrument error
talking of instruments, here's one from 2008 i.e. a year before Wiggo's breakthrough:

Space Legs: Garmin’s Secret Weapon
Tour Tech: Garmin Recovery: The leg compression device.

While thermo regulation is the mainstay of the riders performing at their best on the bike and recovering afterwards, Lim and his riders call NormaTec PCDs their secret recovery weapon.

NormaTec’s PCD acronym stands for Pneumatic Compression Device. The team uses the company’s leg compression devices. The ‘space legs,’ as the riders’ call them, are akin to compression tights multiplied by 100 and given a mind of their own. They inflate and deflate to carefully prescribed pressures that have been proven to effectively treat swollen limbs due to medical conditions like diabetes and lymphatic disorders, as well as non-healing wounds. The team has found the devices dramatically reduce recovery time and improve the riders’ performances.

velonews.competitor.com/2008/07/news/road/how-garmin-chipotle-keeps-its-riders-fresh-for-the-tour_80922#DAKRkCsrih21YGzT.99
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03 Mar 2017 16:27

blackcat wrote:hi

ten characters.

technical instrument error


I think you mean machine calibration error, aka acronym MCE

thanks.

you are not talking to yourself blackcat?

no. no I am not. that is not a double negative, merely it is a pleonasm.
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03 Mar 2017 18:43

blackcat wrote:
blackcat wrote:hi

ten characters.

technical instrument error


I think you mean machine calibration error, aka acronym MCE

thanks.

you are not talking to yourself blackcat?

no. no I am not. that is not a double negative, merely it is a pleonasm.


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05 Mar 2017 14:35

Garmin are similar to team sky, clean mantra, doing it differently, new era, new methods, internal testing, etc etc and the rest of the BS.

Garmin didn't see Wiggins in 09 the year he came 4th in TdF for them! So that blows their BS out of the water.

We know of Danielson's positive.

So was JV warned to be small and not get cocky or win too much, because he went to USADA in 04? Or was JV smarter than the average bear and knew he would be allowed play as long as he didn't hog the ball.

Interesting......
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07 Mar 2017 15:49

Benotti69 wrote:Garmin are similar to team sky, clean mantra, doing it differently, new era, new methods, internal testing, etc etc and the rest of the BS.

Garmin didn't see Wiggins in 09 the year he came 4th in TdF for them! So that blows their BS out of the water.

We know of Danielson's positive.

So was JV warned to be small and not get cocky or win too much, because he went to USADA in 04? Or was JV smarter than the average bear and knew he would be allowed play as long as he didn't hog the ball.

Interesting......

couldnt agree more.


Kimmage now commenting on Garmin and especially Lim.
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/interview-paul-kimmage-team-skys-charade-exposed/

But I also had an experience with Allen Lim. I was totally hoodwinked by him [Lim was Garmin’s physiologist at the time, and was later accused by Floyd Landis of helping him to dope in 2005 and 2006].

Where Kimmage seemed willing to defend Garmin, or at least Martin, in the past, in this interview he's tellingly cautious.
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Benotti69 wrote:Garmin are similar to team sky, clean mantra, doing it differently, new era, new methods, internal testing, etc etc and the rest of the BS.

Garmin didn't see Wiggins in 09 the year he came 4th in TdF for them! So that blows their BS out of the water.

We know of Danielson's positive.

So was JV warned to be small and not get cocky or win too much, because he went to USADA in 04? Or was JV smarter than the average bear and knew he would be allowed play as long as he didn't hog the ball.

Interesting......

couldnt agree more.


Kimmage now commenting on Garmin and especially Lim.
https://cyclingtips.com/2017/03/interview-paul-kimmage-team-skys-charade-exposed/

But I also had an experience with Allen Lim. I was totally hoodwinked by him [Lim was Garmin’s physiologist at the time, and was later accused by Floyd Landis of helping him to dope in 2005 and 2006].

Where Kimmage seemed willing to defend Garmin, or at least Martin, in the past, in this interview he's tellingly cautious.


Yeah, the bit where Kimmage says this

You ask me about the year I spent with Garmin. It was an interesting Tour. It was a positive experience. Is it journalism? No, definitely not – it is not what journalists should be doing. That is not to say that I wouldn’t do it again, but I don’t think…ultimately, in terms of transparency, sure, it is definitely a positive thing and a good thing and I’m glad I did it. But in terms of verification or a certification of their propriety, you could not in any way say it is a measure of anything, really.


Bet Vaughters spits out his wine reading that :lol:
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07 Mar 2017 16:35

Kimmage blows the garmin clean thing out of the water with that interview.

JV cant pretend to be a clean team no more. That JV was not suspicious of Wiggins in 2009 and drop him or internally test him shows just how much a snakeoil salesman he is. #MCE
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07 Mar 2017 16:58

Kimmage is a bit of a dreamer - Bit rich to expect WT teams to publically criticise Sky, especially seeing half the issue is BC - No way will the sponsors will allow team staff or riders to speak publically - Nice try Kimmage.
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07 Mar 2017 23:30

yaco wrote:Kimmage is a bit of a dreamer - Bit rich to expect WT teams to publically criticise Sky, especially seeing half the issue is BC - No way will the sponsors will allow team staff or riders to speak publically - Nice try Kimmage.


agree, free to ask and expect whatever he wants from teams, but if one knows cycling knows it´s useless to expect teams to do that.
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08 Mar 2017 12:55

yaco wrote:Kimmage is a bit of a dreamer - Bit rich to expect WT teams to publically criticise Sky, especially seeing half the issue is BC - No way will the sponsors will allow team staff or riders to speak publically - Nice try Kimmage.


Dont shoot Kimmage for being a journalist and doing his job. He aint a dreamer, he is calling it. He is right. No other teams or riders slamming Sky/BC because of omerta.

This is nothing new and neither is Kimmage just starting to bang this drum. He has been banging the drum about teams and riders calling out the cheats since he wrote Rough Ride.

I doubt any expect others to call out Sky as they are doing something similar, but it didn't stop Kittel, Cav, and others calling out Turkish riders or Ricco.

nice try Yaco but fail.
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08 Mar 2017 13:08

it was written about Team Sky but it could easily have been JV,


.......we have been played for fools by people whose charlatanry is becoming increasingly apparent


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/mar/08/team-sky-are-hoist-on-their-own-petard-by-admissions-of-amateurism

JV's charalatanry was apparent to some us for a long time. So called Internal testing, not cool to dope, new generation marginal gains (yep JV talked them before Sky) yada yada

For someone who allegedly dedicated his life to anti-doping he sure has made a good living out of sport riddled with doping!
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08 Mar 2017 17:41

Benotti69 wrote:
yaco wrote:Kimmage is a bit of a dreamer - Bit rich to expect WT teams to publically criticise Sky, especially seeing half the issue is BC - No way will the sponsors will allow team staff or riders to speak publically - Nice try Kimmage.


Dont shoot Kimmage for being a journalist and doing his job. He aint a dreamer, he is calling it. He is right. No other teams or riders slamming Sky/BC because of omerta.

This is nothing new and neither is Kimmage just starting to bang this drum. He has been banging the drum about teams and riders calling out the cheats since he wrote Rough Ride.

I doubt any expect others to call out Sky as they are doing something similar, but it didn't stop Kittel, Cav, and others calling out Turkish riders or Ricco.

nice try Yaco but fail.


It's irrelevant whether Kimmage has been banging this drum for years - The fact is teams and riders have contractual clauses they must follow - And this will often mean you must be discreet with any public comments - Why did Daniel Benson in his story two days ago fail to name the Sky Rider who asked for Brailsford to stand down ? Why do journalists always use the word 'sources' in their articles ? Kimmage is crying like a baby because no rider/team will give him the 'killer' direct quotes for his articles - I also suggest that Kimmage may not be the first journalist of choice for those in the pro peleton.
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08 Mar 2017 19:41

yaco wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
yaco wrote:Kimmage is a bit of a dreamer - Bit rich to expect WT teams to publically criticise Sky, especially seeing half the issue is BC - No way will the sponsors will allow team staff or riders to speak publically - Nice try Kimmage.


Dont shoot Kimmage for being a journalist and doing his job. He aint a dreamer, he is calling it. He is right. No other teams or riders slamming Sky/BC because of omerta.

This is nothing new and neither is Kimmage just starting to bang this drum. He has been banging the drum about teams and riders calling out the cheats since he wrote Rough Ride.

I doubt any expect others to call out Sky as they are doing something similar, but it didn't stop Kittel, Cav, and others calling out Turkish riders or Ricco.

nice try Yaco but fail.


It's irrelevant whether Kimmage has been banging this drum for years - The fact is teams and riders have contractual clauses they must follow - And this will often mean you must be discreet with any public comments - Why did Daniel Benson in his story two days ago fail to name the Sky Rider who asked for Brailsford to stand down ? Why do journalists always use the word 'sources' in their articles ? Kimmage is crying like a baby because no rider/team will give him the 'killer' direct quotes for his articles - I also suggest that Kimmage may not be the first journalist of choice for those in the pro peleton.


You are completely misreading Kimmage. You are really failing at this, as was already pointed out. I also do not think you understand how journalism works. The potential subject of a story (pro peleton) are not the ones to decide who runs the story. We already went through that with Walsh embedded in Sky.
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08 Mar 2017 19:44

Hey JV, Rigo Uran was getting Corticosteroid injections at Sky for asthma, with a TUE, is he getting the same at your 'clean' team?
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09 Mar 2017 18:02

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yaco wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
yaco wrote:Kimmage is a bit of a dreamer - Bit rich to expect WT teams to publically criticise Sky, especially seeing half the issue is BC - No way will the sponsors will allow team staff or riders to speak publically - Nice try Kimmage.


Dont shoot Kimmage for being a journalist and doing his job. He aint a dreamer, he is calling it. He is right. No other teams or riders slamming Sky/BC because of omerta.

This is nothing new and neither is Kimmage just starting to bang this drum. He has been banging the drum about teams and riders calling out the cheats since he wrote Rough Ride.

I doubt any expect others to call out Sky as they are doing something similar, but it didn't stop Kittel, Cav, and others calling out Turkish riders or Ricco.

nice try Yaco but fail.


It's irrelevant whether Kimmage has been banging this drum for years - The fact is teams and riders have contractual clauses they must follow - And this will often mean you must be discreet with any public comments - Why did Daniel Benson in his story two days ago fail to name the Sky Rider who asked for Brailsford to stand down ? Why do journalists always use the word 'sources' in their articles ? Kimmage is crying like a baby because no rider/team will give him the 'killer' direct quotes for his articles - I also suggest that Kimmage may not be the first journalist of choice for those in the pro peleton.


You are completely misreading Kimmage. You are really failing at this, as was already pointed out. I also do not think you understand how journalism works. The potential subject of a story (pro peleton) are not the ones to decide who runs the story. We already went through that with Walsh embedded in Sky.


I called out Kimmage for whinging about the lack of public comments from pro riders/teams in regards to the Sky situation - He knows full well as a journalist how the caper works - Why do journalists often write ' n unnamed source' in articles - Why do journalists protect their sources ? Because people are careful what they place on the public record.
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09 Mar 2017 19:48

yaco wrote:
Ironhead Slim wrote:
yaco wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
yaco wrote:Kimmage is a bit of a dreamer - Bit rich to expect WT teams to publically criticise Sky, especially seeing half the issue is BC - No way will the sponsors will allow team staff or riders to speak publically - Nice try Kimmage.


Dont shoot Kimmage for being a journalist and doing his job. He aint a dreamer, he is calling it. He is right. No other teams or riders slamming Sky/BC because of omerta.

This is nothing new and neither is Kimmage just starting to bang this drum. He has been banging the drum about teams and riders calling out the cheats since he wrote Rough Ride.

I doubt any expect others to call out Sky as they are doing something similar, but it didn't stop Kittel, Cav, and others calling out Turkish riders or Ricco.

nice try Yaco but fail.


It's irrelevant whether Kimmage has been banging this drum for years - The fact is teams and riders have contractual clauses they must follow - And this will often mean you must be discreet with any public comments - Why did Daniel Benson in his story two days ago fail to name the Sky Rider who asked for Brailsford to stand down ? Why do journalists always use the word 'sources' in their articles ? Kimmage is crying like a baby because no rider/team will give him the 'killer' direct quotes for his articles - I also suggest that Kimmage may not be the first journalist of choice for those in the pro peleton.


You are completely misreading Kimmage. You are really failing at this, as was already pointed out. I also do not think you understand how journalism works. The potential subject of a story (pro peleton) are not the ones to decide who runs the story. We already went through that with Walsh embedded in Sky.


I called out Kimmage for whinging about the lack of public comments from pro riders/teams in regards to the Sky situation - He knows full well as a journalist how the caper works - Why do journalists often write ' n unnamed source' in articles - Why do journalists protect their sources ? Because people are careful what they place on the public record.


So called bang drummer for ages, Yaco is not happy with Kimmage!

Not fooling anyone.

#morefail
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