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09 Nov 2017 09:39

Irondan wrote:It's weird that JV/Slipstream Sports has gone through so many sponsors in such a short time. Makes you wonder if it's pro cycling or JV that eventually turns them sour to committing $$$ to the team...

I pick JV


There was a t-shirt doing the rounds amongst former slipstream riders that went something like "Friends dont let friends ride for slipstream".

Says lots.
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09 Nov 2017 15:03

Benotti69 wrote:
Irondan wrote:It's weird that JV/Slipstream Sports has gone through so many sponsors in such a short time. Makes you wonder if it's pro cycling or JV that eventually turns them sour to committing $$$ to the team...

I pick JV


There was a t-shirt doing the rounds amongst former slipstream riders that went something like "Friends dont let friends ride for slipstream".

Says lots.


Would love to know how much JV manages to pay himself for this sham.
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09 Nov 2017 16:26

thehog wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
Irondan wrote:It's weird that JV/Slipstream Sports has gone through so many sponsors in such a short time. Makes you wonder if it's pro cycling or JV that eventually turns them sour to committing $$$ to the team...

I pick JV


There was a t-shirt doing the rounds amongst former slipstream riders that went something like "Friends dont let friends ride for slipstream".

Says lots.


Would love to know how much JV manages to pay himself for this sham.
If only the team wasn't registered in a secretive tax haven like Delaware...
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09 Nov 2017 17:08

fmk_RoI wrote:
thehog wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
Irondan wrote:It's weird that JV/Slipstream Sports has gone through so many sponsors in such a short time. Makes you wonder if it's pro cycling or JV that eventually turns them sour to committing $$$ to the team...

I pick JV


There was a t-shirt doing the rounds amongst former slipstream riders that went something like "Friends dont let friends ride for slipstream".

Says lots.


Would love to know how much JV manages to pay himself for this sham.
If only the team wasn't registered in a secretive tax haven like Delaware...


It’s a LLC so there is no requirement to make the salaries public.
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10 Nov 2017 21:03

fmk_RoI wrote:
thehog wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
Irondan wrote:It's weird that JV/Slipstream Sports has gone through so many sponsors in such a short time. Makes you wonder if it's pro cycling or JV that eventually turns them sour to committing $$$ to the team...

I pick JV


There was a t-shirt doing the rounds amongst former slipstream riders that went something like "Friends dont let friends ride for slipstream".

Says lots.


Would love to know how much JV manages to pay himself for this sham.
If only the team wasn't registered in a secretive tax haven like Delaware...

It is a good thing. To keep people who do not have the need to know out. Nosey reporters are the worst types and then there is the authors of horrible publications that live to ruin good people and patrons of the sport.

Anybody know cannondale's annual budget compared to say sky?

JV is probably one of the best admins of a team out there.

He deserves much credit for Wiggins 2009 - JV practically made him.
Hesjedal 2012 JV was much involved with all of his work.
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10 Nov 2017 22:14

Sue White wrote:Anybody know cannondale's annual budget compared to say sky?

JV is probably one of the best admins of a team out there.

Surely the primary role of a team boss is to attract sponsorship money. Everything flows from that. The better they are at doing it, the more successful the team is likely to be.

People are welcome to criticise the likes of Brailsford and Unzue, but the foundation of the successes of their teams has been their ability to secure long term sponsorship from big multi-national companies.
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11 Nov 2017 00:01

Sue White wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:
thehog wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
Irondan wrote:It's weird that JV/Slipstream Sports has gone through so many sponsors in such a short time. Makes you wonder if it's pro cycling or JV that eventually turns them sour to committing $$$ to the team...

I pick JV


There was a t-shirt doing the rounds amongst former slipstream riders that went something like "Friends dont let friends ride for slipstream".

Says lots.


Would love to know how much JV manages to pay himself for this sham.
If only the team wasn't registered in a secretive tax haven like Delaware...

It is a good thing. To keep people who do not have the need to know out. Nosey reporters are the worst types and then there is the authors of horrible publications that live to ruin good people and patrons of the sport.

Anybody know cannondale's annual budget compared to say sky?

JV is probably one of the best admins of a team out there.

He deserves much credit for Wiggins 2009 - JV practically made him.
Hesjedal 2012 JV was much involved with all of his work.

Except JV claims to have not hardly seen or talked to Wiggins at all about training or otherwise in 2009. He was already getting his advice from future Sky.
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11 Nov 2017 00:17

I think we can all agree that JV was the reason for B wiggins success. JV brings integrity to a sport that is in a sore need of it.
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11 Nov 2017 01:12

Sue White wrote:I think we can all agree that JV was the reason for B wiggins success. JV brings integrity to a sport that is in a sore need of it.

Hear hear! :D
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11 Nov 2017 02:15

Sue White wrote:I think we can all agree that JV was the reason for B wiggins success. JV brings integrity to a sport that is in a sore need of it.

Damn! Love your material, you can’t over do it though. You’re going to kill someone with stuff that good without some restraint.
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11 Nov 2017 02:27

42x16ss wrote:
Sue White wrote:I think we can all agree that JV was the reason for B wiggins success. JV brings integrity to a sport that is in a sore need of it.

Damn! Love your material, you can’t over do it though. You’re going to kill someone with stuff that good without some restraint.

I'm a fan of what JV was able to accomplish for the sport of cycling. I gave an example of Wiggins and that is obvious that his cycling was not a success until he started as a journeyman under JV. There are others and it is easy for us to search the past to find them.

The way JV has guided this team through years of success is commendable.
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11 Nov 2017 07:13

I've always wondered about JV and Lance Sue
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11 Nov 2017 20:47

Jesús Losa's former client Dani Moreno signs with Education First, according to Marca.
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12 Nov 2017 14:12

hrotha wrote:Jesús Losa's former client Dani Moreno signs with Education First, according to Marca.


JV loves dopers. See how many he has signed over the years.
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13 Nov 2017 03:21

Benotti69 wrote:
hrotha wrote:Jesús Losa's former client Dani Moreno signs with Education First, according to Marca.


JV loves dopers. See how many he has signed over the years.

Well sorry but his love for dopers is no stronger than other pro teams out in the Pro Tour. It is obvious there is a dislike for only an United States Team. That is sad especially considering the current disposition of team sky. They are so far amok in drug scandals and investigations that it is a pure shame. Seems fans of other teams like to cast stones but not understanding their own team is caught in the scandal.
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13 Nov 2017 07:09

Parker wrote:Surely the primary role of a team boss is to attract sponsorship money. Everything flows from that. The better they are at doing it, the more successful the team is likely to be.

People are welcome to criticise the likes of Brailsford and Unzue, but the foundation of the successes of their teams has been their ability to secure long term sponsorship from big multi-national companies.


But, without sarcasm, by that standard Vaughters is a rather successful team boss too. Sure, the team hasn't been as stable as some others, or as well funded. But he managed to keep things running in the World Tour for nearly a decade now, which is something.
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13 Nov 2017 10:41

Benotti69 wrote:
hrotha wrote:Jesús Losa's former client Dani Moreno signs with Education First, according to Marca.


JV loves dopers. See how many he has signed over the years.

Previous signings were, for the most part, internally consistent with JV's alleged policy, regardless of how insincere it actually was. This is just signing a notorious, more or less proven doper for the sake of it.
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13 Nov 2017 14:33

Parker wrote:
Sue White wrote:Anybody know cannondale's annual budget compared to say sky?

JV is probably one of the best admins of a team out there.

Surely the primary role of a team boss is to attract sponsorship money. Everything flows from that. The better they are at doing it, the more successful the team is likely to be.

People are welcome to criticise the likes of Brailsford and Unzue, but the foundation of the successes of their teams has been their ability to secure long term sponsorship from big multi-national companies.

Don’t BSkyB own a significant chunk of Team Sky? Surely a big portion of Brailsford’s success is that he *doesnt* have to go running around looking for potential sponsors from about May/June every year, and can just focus on the team winning races
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13 Nov 2017 16:18

Sue White wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
hrotha wrote:Jesús Losa's former client Dani Moreno signs with Education First, according to Marca.


JV loves dopers. See how many he has signed over the years.

Well sorry but his love for dopers is no stronger than other pro teams out in the Pro Tour. It is obvious there is a dislike for only an United States Team. That is sad especially considering the current disposition of team sky. They are so far amok in drug scandals and investigations that it is a pure shame. Seems fans of other teams like to cast stones but not understanding their own team is caught in the scandal.


I’m a little lost in your wonderfully idimatic writing. Are you saying that it’s Sky fans calling JV out?
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13 Nov 2017 23:37

aphronesis wrote:
Sue White wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
hrotha wrote:Jesús Losa's former client Dani Moreno signs with Education First, according to Marca.


JV loves dopers. See how many he has signed over the years.

Well sorry but his love for dopers is no stronger than other pro teams out in the Pro Tour. It is obvious there is a dislike for only an United States Team. That is sad especially considering the current disposition of team sky. They are so far amok in drug scandals and investigations that it is a pure shame. Seems fans of other teams like to cast stones but not understanding their own team is caught in the scandal.


I’m a little lost in your wonderfully idimatic writing. Are you saying that it’s Sky fans calling JV out?

The majority yes. Others are just jealous of success.
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