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13 Jun 2017 13:40

robow7 wrote:
DanielSong39 wrote:
tyson766 wrote:
I guess Agassi was the pioneer of the "new era", winning the majority of his slams in the second half of his career, at an age where most of his competitors were on the decline.


In some regards, yes, Agassi via Gil's secret shakes, was the first to come back with a vengeance as he aged, but I'm guessing Lendl was probably the first male to really enhance his game via ped's. Mere speculation mind you.


Agreed with Lendl but then there's Connors' mid-life renaissance as well. Won 3 majors after it looked like he was tailing off.
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Re: Tennis

20 Jun 2017 20:36

Haha. Federer is ridiculous at 35 and he just lost to Tommy Haas, whos like the Horner of tennis (ok not as good but in tennis 39 is like 49 in cycling)
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21 Jun 2017 13:44

I haven't heard of Haas in a long, long time.
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21 Jun 2017 13:55

nayr497 wrote:I haven't heard of Haas in a long, long time.

Haas has worked with Healing Hans from at least 2016 onwards (and I reckon before that, too).
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/news/sport/tennis-haas-hofftauf-rueckkehr-beim-atp-turnier-in-muenchen-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-160308-99-131372
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Re: Tennis

21 Jun 2017 16:34

The Hitch wrote:Haha. Federer is ridiculous at 35 and he just lost to Tommy Haas, whos like the Horner of tennis (ok not as good but in tennis 39 is like 49 in cycling)



Haas has probably had a better overall career than Horner, yes, no major title, but plenty of other good showings, titles, a world #2 ranking as his career high and he's had too many injuries to count.

I also don't really look at this as a major shock. Federer looked so bored and played like he didn't care. Dare I say, he threw the match. It was in Germany, Haas's home country, his last season (If I am not mistaken). Don't read too much into it.

What was probably more of note, or should have been, was the oldest final in 41 years took place in Rosmalen in Holland. 34 year old Gilles Muller beat 38 year old Ivo Karlovic.
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21 Jun 2017 22:08

Grass is a surface for old men. Especially men like Karlovic and Muller.
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21 Jun 2017 22:45

Red Rick wrote:Grass is a surface for old men. Especially men like Karlovic and Muller.


Karlovic has more or less maximized his career potential. Muller is often seen as an underachiever, but he's played pretty good on grass. I also remember him making the quarters at the US Open years ago and playing Federer pretty tough.
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23 Jun 2017 17:39

Shock! Horror!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/06/23/dan-evans-tests-positive-cocaine/

Evans gets caught doing what many tennis players routinely do.
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Re: Tennis

23 Jun 2017 20:44

As a Sharapova-stan, I DEMAND FOUR YEARS!
"Brits don't dope!"
"Just look at those mother-me eyes!"
"Rags to riches sob story!"

GLEE OVER
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24 Jun 2017 04:07

Zebadeedee wrote:Shock! Horror!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2017/06/23/dan-evans-tests-positive-cocaine/

Evans gets caught doing what many tennis players routinely do.


Interesting tidbit in that article about guys in the 80's putting coke in their white wrist bands and a quick snort between points. Had not heard that before. I've never done the stuff but those that have and at some time played tennis at a higher level, would it in your opinion offer any assistance during a match ? Just curious what your thoughts are.
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24 Jun 2017 09:22

Vitas Gerulaitis - ex world No 3 and a star of the '70s - was a big time cocaine user. His habit dragged his career down and it got even worse when he left the circuit. The FBI were after him at one point. No doubt at all that McEnroe and Borg were using too, being best mates of Vitas. Pity McEnroe doesn't come clean about his usage.
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25 Jun 2017 21:22

Zebadeedee wrote:Vitas Gerulaitis - ex world No 3 and a star of the '70s - was a big time cocaine user. His habit dragged his career down and it got even worse when he left the circuit. The FBI were after him at one point. No doubt at all that McEnroe and Borg were using too, being best mates of Vitas. Pity McEnroe doesn't come clean about his usage.


IIRC, McEnroe did talk about using cocaine when he was active on the tour.

I have a dim recollection of his mentioning a night out with VG, and feeling so fatigued the next morning that he used cocaine to 'get-up" for an early round match at Wimbledon.
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25 Jun 2017 23:01

I very much doubt McEnroe will be chatting on the BBC about his own previous cocaine use while doing his drop in studio stints during Wimbledon, relevant though that may be given Evans situation currently. Omertà reigns in tennis as much as it does in cycling, possibly more so given that virtually nothing ever emerges or is discussed on using. It will be interesting to see whether the subject of Dan Evans comes up at all. Can anyone envisage Tim 'Cutting edge' Henman discussing drugs with McEnroe and what he thinks of the Evans case? No, I thought not.
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10 Jul 2017 20:06

Gilles Muller beats Nadal in the longest match of Wimbledon and barely looks tired. Huge upturn in form - never gone past the 3rd round at Wimbledon before this year and now looks like one of the best grass court players in the world. May break into the top 20 after this tournament at this rate, for the first time in his career - at 34!
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10 Jul 2017 20:24

Did Muller get a referral from Federer?
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11 Jul 2017 00:39

Bwlch y Groes wrote:Gilles Muller beats Nadal in the longest match of Wimbledon and barely looks tired. Huge upturn in form - never gone past the 3rd round at Wimbledon before this year and now looks like one of the best grass court players in the world. May break into the top 20 after this tournament at this rate, for the first time in his career - at 34!


Nadal has been dumped out in the early rounds of wimbledon for at least the past 5 years. Seems like they load him up with everything they have for Roland Garros and after that there isn't enough time for a second cycle or his body doesn't respond the same way as when he was younger.
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11 Jul 2017 01:50

And Federer avoided the French Open altogether in order to aim for Wimbledon and the US Open. I guess these doctors really do know what they're doing.
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11 Jul 2017 11:40

Federer is taking the piss.
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11 Jul 2017 16:56

Looks more and more like an oldies tournament. Average age of the mens quarter finalists is touching 31.

Just how do they do it?!
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Re: Tennis

11 Jul 2017 17:40

Johanna Konta, a virtual nobody less than two years ago is now playing like a world beater. British marginal gains in play? Paging Dr. Bonar!!!
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