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23 Jul 2017 19:40

Don't think any of them will be ATGs. They all lack the forehand, and Zverev especially needs to be a better server at 1.98.
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23 Jul 2017 20:36

DanielSong39 wrote:Gasquet came up about the same time as Murray and Djokovic and was every bit as highly regarded during their first years on tour. His results were pretty similar to Murray and Djokovic in 2006 and still on par with Murray as late as 2007. However he tailed off after that.

Some players blossom and some don't.


Yep. What was a big moment in both of their careers was the 2008 Wimbledon 4th round. Gasquet was beating Murray 2-0 and serving for the match in the third set but choked, big time. Murray went on to lose to Nadal in the next round, but since that match Murray kept rising, despite not winning a slam until 2012. Gasquet has had some nice results since then, but he's largely been a big disappointment.
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26 Jul 2017 14:26

Why is it that I see this story (Djokovic out for rest of year) and think silent ban ?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/40725984
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26 Jul 2017 14:53

Djokovic has been struggling with an elbow injury so this could be legitimate.

If it's a silent ban I'm not sure whether it would be for PED's or match fixing.

Now watch him win 3 slams in 2018.
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27 Jul 2017 18:10

[quote="Catwhoorg"]Why is it that I see this story (Djokovic out for rest of year) and think silent ban ?

Why? Because the ITF and other tennis authorities encourage players to bullshit, lie and cover up their positive tests and doping bans. Agassi and Cilic would be prime examples of that. The Cilic case was relatively recent, 2013 and shows the ITF up as an organisation that treats tennis doping as largely a PR issue.
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27 Jul 2017 18:30

Or Bartoli retiring after winning Wimbledon. Doesn't pass the smell test.
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27 Jul 2017 19:19

sniper wrote:Or Bartoli retiring after winning Wimbledon. Doesn't pass the smell test.


Sampras and Pennetta also retired after winning the US Open.
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27 Jul 2017 20:12

DanielSong39 wrote:
sniper wrote:Or Bartoli retiring after winning Wimbledon. Doesn't pass the smell test.


Sampras and Pennetta also retired after winning the US Open.


Pennetta announced her retirement and played out the rest of the season.
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27 Jul 2017 20:43

Pretty cynical when you think about it; that the ITF (and the ATP before them) provided within their own rules for players to lie about their positive tests to prevent the truth coming out. In other words, the public are just mug punters.
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28 Jul 2017 15:32

sniper wrote:Or Bartoli retiring after winning Wimbledon. Doesn't pass the smell test.


Simple - Pennetta and Bartali were in their 30's and struck it lucky winning a Grand Slam Tournament - Lightning doesn't strike twice.
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28 Jul 2017 15:51

Nah.

I don't know Penetta's case so won't comment on it.

Bartoli wasn't 30 yet when she won Wimbledon.
Regardless, Bartoli's retirement didn't look well thought through at all, nor did it look voluntary.
May not have been a silent ban, but certainly plenty of reason to suspect it.
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28 Jul 2017 18:56

She couldn't carry on because she wasn't good-looking enough. John Inverdale said so.
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29 Jul 2017 17:26

sniper wrote:Nah.

I don't know Penetta's case so won't comment on it.

Bartoli wasn't 30 yet when she won Wimbledon.
Regardless, Bartoli's retirement didn't look well thought through at all, nor did it look voluntary.
May not have been a silent ban, but certainly plenty of reason to suspect it.


I've posted that Bartoli fluked her victory - It was the time at her age because she was never going to win a second grand slam.

You won't comment on Pennetta's case because you dont have enough information, yet you already commented about Pennetta in this thread - Maybe listen to posters who closely follow a particular sport.
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29 Jul 2017 18:14

I agree she fluked it.
Took a bit more risk than years previous.
I think the ITF noticed it, too.
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29 Jul 2017 19:02

She was lso ucky and won WImbledon without having to beat a major player.
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29 Jul 2017 19:18

I get the point but dont find it convincing.
So she beat players who had beaten major players.
No matter who you come across, you're playing in-form players.
She was on top of her game and I think she overcooked it a little.

And she wasn't in her thirties as Yaco claims.
Retirement was very unexpected.
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30 Jul 2017 00:26

It's also possible that the juice messed up her body, and she retired before things got worse.

No one wants to end up like FloJo.
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30 Jul 2017 09:05

Did she heat the ball harder than before? Did she ran faster and/or longer than previous tournament? I didn't have seen that.
She was probably as juiced as normal.
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30 Jul 2017 09:14

poupou wrote:Did she heat the ball harder than before? Did she ran faster and/or longer than previous tournament? I didn't have seen that.
She was probably as juiced as normal.

Yes she was better than usual. Read the reports.
Maybe she went gluten free, different shoes, or something.

Regardless. Even if she had lost in the first round, it doesn't change the fact that her retirement came as a huge surprise and raised eyebrows. Not just mine.
So to repeat: I don't know if it was a silent ban, but there is enough reason to suspect one.
Not my fault. ITFs fault.
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30 Jul 2017 10:49

Don't really know about Bartoli, she certainly could've used some more peds to slim down, her movement was atrocious. There's also reason to think that she was mentally super fragile, as she clearly got an eating disorder after retiring
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