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14 Jun 2017 13:19

Let the tongues now wag
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14 Jun 2017 13:41

1) When all is said and done, history will be a kinder judge to Hein Verbruggen than we have been. They will see the positive changes he made to the sport and view the doping in a wider context.

2) History is not always correct, as anyone who looks at cycling's error-riddled history will tell you.

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14 Jun 2017 15:58

RIP
I noticed there was no option to comment on the article that mentioned his passing.
Hmmmm wonder why.
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14 Jun 2017 19:46

viewtopic.php?p=1194861#p1194861

Oh please, that post was never deleted before. I guess the whole thread will be deleted, just to cover the tracks...
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14 Jun 2017 21:29

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14 Jun 2017 21:43

Requiem, Hein Verbruggen.

As it is customary (and salutary) to attempt commendation at this time, I'll add that here's something principled to approaching life like he did, steadfast and unrepentant to the end. That conviction assisted in setting some of the pillars upon which cycling has found some measure of continued growth and success.
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15 Jun 2017 17:10

TourOfSardinia wrote:Let the tongues now wag


This. Now without fear of reprisal, maybe we can find out where the bodies are buried. No pun intended obviously.
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19 Jun 2017 02:02

[quote="fmk_RoI"]1) When all is said and done, history will be a kinder judge to Hein Verbruggen than we have been./quote]

By kinder, you mean a clear documentation of his long history of corruption?
viewtopic.php?t=21431

http://www.velonews.com/2013/01/analysis/hoberman-qa-outlining-corruption-doping-collusion-at-the-ioc-uci_270482

How about his efforts to bury the Armstrong controversy?
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13835/McQuaid-asks-IOC-members-to-request-WADA-eases-off-on-UCI.aspx

$100,000 bribe to bury Armstrong's positive? (Taking a page out of Diack's playbook.)

Keirin bribe? Millions!!!

Require France suspend anti-doping laws as a prerequisite for an IOC bid? http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/actualites/buffet-a-subi-des-pressions-623251

A good guy?
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19 Jun 2017 07:28

always take the $.....................doping?...what doping...always take the £

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19 Jun 2017 10:54

ebandit wrote:always take the $.....................doping?...what doping...always take the £

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19 Jun 2017 14:35

DirtyWorks wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:1) When all is said and done, history will be a kinder judge to Hein Verbruggen than we have been./quote]

By kinder, you mean a clear documentation of his long history of corruption?
viewtopic.php?t=21431

http://www.velonews.com/2013/01/analysis/hoberman-qa-outlining-corruption-doping-collusion-at-the-ioc-uci_270482

How about his efforts to bury the Armstrong controversy?
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13835/McQuaid-asks-IOC-members-to-request-WADA-eases-off-on-UCI.aspx

$100,000 bribe to bury Armstrong's positive? (Taking a page out of Diack's playbook.)

Keirin bribe? Millions!!!

Require France suspend anti-doping laws as a prerequisite for an IOC bid? http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/actualites/buffet-a-subi-des-pressions-623251

A good guy?
If you're not going to read what I wrote and if you're going to go around trying to suggest I said things I did not then please, don't waste my time with such tiresome nonsense. TIA.
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19 Jun 2017 15:15

fmk_RoI wrote:
DirtyWorks wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:1) When all is said and done, history will be a kinder judge to Hein Verbruggen than we have been./quote]

By kinder, you mean a clear documentation of his long history of corruption?
viewtopic.php?t=21431

http://www.velonews.com/2013/01/analysis/hoberman-qa-outlining-corruption-doping-collusion-at-the-ioc-uci_270482

How about his efforts to bury the Armstrong controversy?
http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13835/McQuaid-asks-IOC-members-to-request-WADA-eases-off-on-UCI.aspx

$100,000 bribe to bury Armstrong's positive? (Taking a page out of Diack's playbook.)

Keirin bribe? Millions!!!

Require France suspend anti-doping laws as a prerequisite for an IOC bid? http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/actualites/buffet-a-subi-des-pressions-623251

A good guy?
If you're not going to read what I wrote and if you're going to go around trying to suggest I said things I did not then please, don't waste my time with such tiresome nonsense. TIA.


Your points of view are nearly identical. You both see the cycling cesspool for what it is, nevertheless you both love the cycling cesspool. The only difference is that one of you expresses a high moral outrage and the other expresses a cynical acceptance.

Enjoy the filthy circus! I'm gonna go haul my fully loaded bike up a few hills today!
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22 Jun 2017 03:42

MarkvW wrote:Your points of view are nearly identical. You both see the cycling cesspool for what it is, nevertheless you both love the cycling cesspool. The only difference is that one of you expresses a high moral outrage and the other expresses a cynical acceptance.

Enjoy the filthy circus! I'm gonna go haul my fully loaded bike up a few hills today!


I didn't read it like that. I stand corrected.

I would classify my interest as more of a morbid fascination. I'm so boring I can't imagine some of the innovative ways these IOC officials collect bribes. As such reading about them is kind of interesting.
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