Log in:  

Register

Media amnesia and reactions

The Clinic is the only place on Cyclingnews where you can discuss doping-related issues. Ask questions, discuss positives or improvements to procedures.

Moderators: Eshnar, King Boonen, Red Rick, Pricey_sky

Media amnesia and reactions

11 Oct 2012 11:22

As we know, much the media at best turned a blind eye to Armstrong's doping and the rumours about it, or worse became cheer-leaders and bandwagon jumpers.

While we're holding riders, officials and DSs to account the media also needs to be held accountable.

So I thought it might be good to collect media reactions - who are holding their hands up, who is re-writing their own history and involvement, who continues to bury their head in the sand and who are the true believers.

The BBC seems to be burying its head in the sand and deleting any comments in the Lance Armstrong discussion about members of Sky named in the report and statements.
Justcycling

...girls and ****ed 'em at school. All I know is that there were rumours he was into field hockey players

"the only thing worse than reading Cycling News is talking to them" Paul Kimmage

"The four most beautiful words in our common language: I told you so." Gore Vidal
User avatar Mrs John Murphy
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,239
Joined: 03 May 2010 21:45
Location: Stamping on Cadel's dog

11 Oct 2012 11:32

The media are as bad as some on this Forum , in that they only do what suits them !

There is a Petition started by members of the " clinic " that to date has about 45+ supporters , hidden behind fictious " IP addresses , some of you decline to do the correct thing and support " Change "!

Why should the Media respond when YOU do not ?

below is my reply to another thread :


Glad to see that some people such as Emma & Betty have been vindicated for their FORTITUDE in standing up to the BULLYING to which they were subjected ! Stated my thanks on blogs .

Like Steve Tilford , i say B*LLSH'T to those that " confessed " in the past days !

Those of you taking the SIX Months have NO Credibility !

ONLY Joining together and demanding that Jacques Rogge IMMEDIATELY calls an " AMNESTY IN ALL SPORTS " could you win any redemption !

FOR SPORT the ONLY way forward is to clean the " decks" , ONCE AND FOR ALL !

Jacque Rogge needs to TODAY , write to ALL Heads of Government that participate in Olympic Events and give them 7 days to arrange their Legal processes so that " Double Jeapardy " will not occur when their Nations Athletes ( Past & Present ) step forward to accept their responsibility for previous misdeeds as DOPERS !

Having obtained cooperation he should implement a 2 stage process :

Firstly , call on ALL Athletes , past & present , to declare their status and past behaviours relating to Doping before the DEADLINE , on missing that date they will be subject to " LIFE TIME BANS " from ALL & every Sporting related employment or activity .

Second Tier will require those who worked with ATHLETES that did not volunteer their past behaviours , to step forward with that information by a date deadline ! Those that do not do so , will be treated as fully aware of the risks and thus ALSO subject to " LIFE TIME BAN "!

Jacques Rogge needs to demand ANY & ALL " IOC Delegates " involved with WADA / UCI to stand down whilst their past associations are investigated by an Organisation such as " Interpol "! Innocent until proven Guilty is the watch word but USADA has provided enough evidence for Jacques Rogge and John Fahey of WADA to demand compliance with this precautionary action .
skippymccarthy
Newly Registered Member
 
Posts: 3
Joined: 11 Oct 2012 11:01

11 Oct 2012 11:41

the pharmstrong revelations don't seem to come as a surprise in germany, which explains why the usada vs. armstrong file is hardly making headlines in germany, though of course it is being covered in the media.

the german branch of eurosport definitely has some explaining and backtracking to do, but the bigger german newspapers (sueddueutsche, spiegel, etc.) have little to blame themselves for. they've been critical if not from day one, then at least from the day that t-mobile was unmasked.
sniper
Veteran
 
Posts: 13,578
Joined: 15 Oct 2010 23:36

11 Oct 2012 11:47

On the subject of Eurosport, I wonder how Dave Harmon one of Lance's biggest apologists is handling this?
Justcycling

...girls and ****ed 'em at school. All I know is that there were rumours he was into field hockey players

"the only thing worse than reading Cycling News is talking to them" Paul Kimmage

"The four most beautiful words in our common language: I told you so." Gore Vidal
User avatar Mrs John Murphy
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,239
Joined: 03 May 2010 21:45
Location: Stamping on Cadel's dog

11 Oct 2012 11:58

Mrs John Murphy wrote:On the subject of Eurosport, I wonder how Dave Harmon one of Lance's biggest apologists is handling this?


I called him out months back, got the 'legality is everything, not blindness' response which depending on his contractual obligations is either true or a convienient excuse..........
User avatar RichWalk
Junior Member
 
Posts: 199
Joined: 13 Jul 2012 08:56
Location: Birmingham, England

11 Oct 2012 11:59

Mrs John Murphy wrote:I wonder how Dave Harmon one of Lance's biggest apologists is handling this?
Actually, reading between the lines on comments he made this year on TV, he was suggesting LA was a fraud.
Do you want to watch better bike racing? => Team radios (not race radio) must go!
User avatar cineteq
Veteran
 
Posts: 7,783
Joined: 20 May 2009 00:52
Location: Montreal, Canada

11 Oct 2012 12:03

Which is ironic because when Landis and Hamilton came out with their accusations he was very strong in attacking Landis and Hamilton.
Justcycling

...girls and ****ed 'em at school. All I know is that there were rumours he was into field hockey players

"the only thing worse than reading Cycling News is talking to them" Paul Kimmage

"The four most beautiful words in our common language: I told you so." Gore Vidal
User avatar Mrs John Murphy
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,239
Joined: 03 May 2010 21:45
Location: Stamping on Cadel's dog

11 Oct 2012 12:33

Tinman wrote:A real BINGO by Richard Hinds from Sydney Morning Herald this AM.

"Armstrong and his lawyers have used every club in the bag. They have claimed victimisation of various kinds - including by French journalists supposedly jealous of American success. They have belittled government agencies and branded their accusers liars. Most shamefully, Armstrong has used his cancer charity, and his own story of cancer survival, to create confusion among the naive and the slavishly devoted who fail to distinguish the drug cheat from the great benefactor."

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/the-peloton-of-truth-catches-up-with-armstrong-20121011-27ett.html


posted before in another thread.
[SIZE="2"][SIZE="1"][SIZE="2"]
“Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.”

[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
User avatar Tinman
Member
 
Posts: 1,112
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 07:27

11 Oct 2012 13:01

Mrs John Murphy wrote:On the subject of Eurosport, I wonder how Dave Harmon one of Lance's biggest apologists is handling this?


I think he accepts the truth but is firmly in the "let's move on" camp.

However, if it's little known Ivailo Gabrovski getting caught, he is outraged.

Good doper/bad doper :D
Ferminal
Veteran
 
Posts: 16,999
Joined: 03 Jul 2009 09:42

11 Oct 2012 13:44

This is the reason LA still hero regardless of being the biggest cheat in sports. :(

"The true tragedy of Lance Armstrong's story isn't about him. It's about the people who have looked at him as inspiration. It's the cyclists and the rehabilitating cancer sufferers to whom Armstrong wasn't a man on a bike but a poster-boy for overcoming the impossible. In the coming weeks while the headlines obsess over the fallout and the implications for the future of cycling, spare a thought anyone sitting in chemotherapy who just lost a little bit of hope."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2012-10/12/lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-doping-scandal
Do you want to watch better bike racing? => Team radios (not race radio) must go!
User avatar cineteq
Veteran
 
Posts: 7,783
Joined: 20 May 2009 00:52
Location: Montreal, Canada

11 Oct 2012 14:16

cineteq wrote:This is the reason LA still hero regardless of being the biggest cheat in sports. :(

"The true tragedy of Lance Armstrong's story isn't about him. It's about the people who have looked at him as inspiration. It's the cyclists and the rehabilitating cancer sufferers to whom Armstrong wasn't a man on a bike but a poster-boy for overcoming the impossible. In the coming weeks while the headlines obsess over the fallout and the implications for the future of cycling, spare a thought anyone sitting in chemotherapy who just lost a little bit of hope."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2012-10/12/lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-doping-scandal



A Hollywood movie of "The Rise & Fall of Lance Armstrong"[TM] would be great entertainment even if it told all the sordid details and ended up a tragedy. - it would be a fitting commentary on the world over the last decade or two, and LA could still be the hero/film star too! Could be a face-saving way out for him/nike.
User avatar TourOfSardinia
Veteran
 
Posts: 7,670
Joined: 16 Feb 2010 14:25
Location: Sardinia

11 Oct 2012 15:25

Has anyone heard from Phil the Shill?
Justcycling

...girls and ****ed 'em at school. All I know is that there were rumours he was into field hockey players

"the only thing worse than reading Cycling News is talking to them" Paul Kimmage

"The four most beautiful words in our common language: I told you so." Gore Vidal
User avatar Mrs John Murphy
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,239
Joined: 03 May 2010 21:45
Location: Stamping on Cadel's dog

11 Oct 2012 15:58

TourOfSardinia wrote:A Hollywood movie...

Remember when one was going to be made, potentially starring his buddy Matt Damon?

I forget the name of the big name producer trying to push it. I think the guy was friends with Hincapie too. RR knows the guy.

Remember LA's buddy Ben Stiller pimping for him?

I wonder how these people feel about doing a movie on Lance now?
User avatar Alpe d'Huez
Veteran
 
Posts: 10,175
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 03:51
Location: New England

11 Oct 2012 16:10

Latest from Dan Benson: "Amnesty or Bust"

Has distinct tones of the "Resign Pat" letter in it...

http://sport.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/blogpost.aspx?post=6c3731e8-75a3-412c-8675-850fd3af6f99&_nwpt=1
[SIZE="2"][SIZE="1"][SIZE="2"]
“Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.”

[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
User avatar Tinman
Member
 
Posts: 1,112
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 07:27

11 Oct 2012 16:11

Alpe d'Huez wrote:Remember when one was going to be made, potentially starring his buddy Matt Damon?

I forget the name of the big name producer trying to push it. I think the guy was friends with Hincapie too. RR knows the guy.

Remember LA's buddy Ben Stiller pimping for him?

I wonder how these people feel about doing a movie on Lance now?


There will be a movie - the story is simply amazing and better than any scriptwriter could come up with. And what a bunch of characters!

I vote Charles (Pappy O'Daniel) Durning as Tim Herman
Image
User avatar Kretch
Junior Member
 
Posts: 113
Joined: 02 Jun 2011 02:18

11 Oct 2012 16:13

Tinman wrote:Latest from Dan Benson: "Amnesty or Bust"

Has distinct tones of the "Resign Pat" letter in it...

http://sport.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/blogpost.aspx?post=6c3731e8-75a3-412c-8675-850fd3af6f99&_nwpt=1


No amnesty without disclosure and punishment. And it would be nice if Benson were to stop ripping off our work.
Justcycling

...girls and ****ed 'em at school. All I know is that there were rumours he was into field hockey players

"the only thing worse than reading Cycling News is talking to them" Paul Kimmage

"The four most beautiful words in our common language: I told you so." Gore Vidal
User avatar Mrs John Murphy
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,239
Joined: 03 May 2010 21:45
Location: Stamping on Cadel's dog

11 Oct 2012 16:16

Now that's funny!

Dan is the Tsar here!

He owns us!

;)
User avatar Alpe d'Huez
Veteran
 
Posts: 10,175
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 03:51
Location: New England

11 Oct 2012 16:20

Yes, and the last Tsar ended up down the bottom of a well full of bullet holes when the revolution came.
Justcycling

...girls and ****ed 'em at school. All I know is that there were rumours he was into field hockey players

"the only thing worse than reading Cycling News is talking to them" Paul Kimmage

"The four most beautiful words in our common language: I told you so." Gore Vidal
User avatar Mrs John Murphy
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,239
Joined: 03 May 2010 21:45
Location: Stamping on Cadel's dog

11 Oct 2012 20:45

Did anybody else catch Ray Suarez's interview with Bill Strickland last night on Public Broadcasting's "News Hour"? Pretty appalling. Among other gems, he kept up the "never failed a test" line. Here's the video & full transcript:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/sports/july-dec12/armstrong_10-10.html

RAY SUAREZ: For a decade, Armstrong has taken refuge in the fact that he's never failed a drugs test. And this is during a time of tightening testing regimes. That's still true, isn't it?

BILL STRICKLAND: Well, that is still true.
User avatar Desperate Moments
Junior Member
 
Posts: 54
Joined: 20 May 2010 17:58
Location: NE Floriduh

11 Oct 2012 21:11

Mrs John Murphy wrote:Has anyone heard from Phil the Shill?


Here's a tweet from Paul Sherwen today:

Just read Tyler Hamilton's book The Secret Race in 2 days on the plane, now I have the background to my next 202 pages of reading
User avatar Sarcastic Wet Trout
Junior Member
 
Posts: 140
Joined: 01 Oct 2012 23:39

Next

Return to The Clinic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 18 guests

Back to top