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11 Oct 2012 21:24

Sarcastic Wet Trout wrote:Here's a tweet from Paul Sherwen today:


Am reading Bad Blood. Paul Sherwen was mentioned as Team Motorola's press officer... suddenly the glowing remarks for the last n years whenever Lance turned a pedal or another rider turning a pedal could be compared to Lance made just that little more sense.
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11 Oct 2012 21:25

Tinman wrote:Latest from Dan Benson: "Amnesty or Bust"

Has distinct tones of the "Resign Pat" letter in it...

http://sport.uk.msn.com/socialvoices/blogpost.aspx?post=6c3731e8-75a3-412c-8675-850fd3af6f99&_nwpt=1


And yet CN provided a soapbox for Lance's doping doctor, while Lance was doping, for 2 years.
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11 Oct 2012 21:31

Dear Wiggo wrote:Am reading Bad Blood. Paul Sherwen was mentioned as Team Motorola's press officer... suddenly the glowing remarks for the last n years whenever Lance turned a pedal or another rider turning a pedal could be compared to Lance made just that little more sense.


Sherwen & Lance also have a business relationship with Sherwens mining company in Africa.
Although his tweet sounds like he might crawl out of the mine and see the light.
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11 Oct 2012 21:33

Mrs John Murphy wrote:As we know, much the media at best turned a blind eye to Armstrong's doping and the rumours about it, or worse became cheer-leaders and bandwagon jumpers.

While we're holding riders, officials and DSs to account the media also needs to be held accountable.

So I thought it might be good to collect media reactions - who are holding their hands up, who is re-writing their own history and involvement, who continues to bury their head in the sand and who are the true believers.

The BBC seems to be burying its head in the sand and deleting any comments in the Lance Armstrong discussion about members of Sky named in the report and statements.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-was-wrong-and-others-must-come-clean-too-20121011-27fr9.html

Now we are talking. Good article this morning from Rupert Guinness - Sydney Morning Herald.

"I got it wrong"
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11 Oct 2012 21:37

sairyder wrote:http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-was-wrong-and-others-must-come-clean-too-20121011-27fr9.html

Now we are talking. Good article this morning from Rupert Guinness - Sydney Morning Herald.

"I got it wrong"

I also recognised things could have been made clearer sooner, had I and others in the cycling media pursued allegations of doping against Armstrong more vigorously.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-was-wrong-and-others-must-come-clean-too-20121011-27fr9.html#ixzz291qOjARF

It would be good to hear from the cycling journalists why they didn't pursue the rumours/evidence - it needs to be spelt out so it doesn't happen again
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11 Oct 2012 21:41

Was very disappointed that David Harmon, knowing he'd be bombarded with tweets on the subject and that the viewer(s) of the Tour of Beijing Stage 3 might expect some discussion between Brian Smith and himself on it, had not bothered to read through the USADA 'Reasoned Decision' and thus was able to offer up excuses about being busy and therefore unable to comment at all. Poor show, but not exactly unpredictable. I know he is slightly conflicted by his job but still, I feel he fence-sits as a default position more often than not.

Carlton Kirby is far worse though. I hope he's currently sleeping off a major over-indulgence of humble pie tonight.
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11 Oct 2012 21:50

argyllflyer wrote:Was very disappointed that David Harmon, knowing he'd be bombarded with tweets on the subject and that the viewer(s) of the Tour of Beijing Stage 3 might expect some discussion between Brian Smith and himself on it, had not bothered to read through the USADA 'Reasoned Decision' and thus was able to offer up excuses about being busy and therefore unable to comment at all. Poor show, but not exactly unpredictable. I know he is slightly conflicted by his job but still, I feel he fence-sits as a default position more often than not.

Carlton Kirby is far worse though. I hope he's currently sleeping off a major over-indulgence of humble pie tonight.


Yes I totally agree. I was watching the live stage 3 coverage and heard Harmon say he hadn't read the USADA report and I thought "what was he doing all morning?"
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11 Oct 2012 22:03

cineteq wrote:Actually, reading between the lines on comments he made this year on TV, he was suggesting LA was a fraud.


Reading between the lines of Harmon's words is like analysing the message of a Justin Bieber song.
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11 Oct 2012 22:12

To be fair to Harmon he was probably up at the crack of dawn to prepare for the broadcast. How long did it take you to read the whole Reasoned Decision?

And more broadly, with the behaviour of LA and his lawyers a lot of the media have had to tip-toe around the whole topic, not to mention the question of access to a supposedly unblemished global sporting icon.
If he could bully the people and institutions that care a great deal about cycling, he could certainly keep at bay a media that, Continental Europe aside, still really sees cycling as a minority sport.
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11 Oct 2012 22:15

The Tibetan Hat wrote:To be fair to Harmon he was probably up at the crack of dawn to prepare for the broadcast. How long did it take you to read the whole Reasoned Decision?

And more broadly, with the behaviour of LA and his lawyers a lot of the media have had to tip-toe around the whole topic, not to mention the question of access to a supposedly unblemished global sporting icon.
If he could bully the people and institutions that care a great deal about cycling, he could certainly keep at bay a media that, Continental Europe aside, still really sees cycling as a minority sport.


To be fair to Harmon, he could've read Eurosports home page and made comments based on what his employer reported online ;) instead of looking like an aplogist yet again never mind being an uninformed commentator of cycling when the biggest story in the history of the sport hits the fan he has nothing to say. Stupid!
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11 Oct 2012 22:16

Boulder Daily Camera this morning...

http://www.dailycamera.com/cycling/ci_21742180/entertainment/classicalmusic

sorry if its already been posted...there is a mountain of stuff to keep up with here!:p
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11 Oct 2012 22:25

I seem to remember Bonnie Ford over at ESPN being a big Lance fan, but when I looked in the archives for articles, the one's I saw were not overly drenched in fangirlism.
Either way I appreciated her article yesterday including these statements:

You can choose not to believe any or all of the witnesses. You can choose to disregard the flashing neon arrows among the test results. You can somehow construe the $1 million in payments Armstrong made to the Swiss-based company of discredited trainer Michele Ferrari as legitimate medical expenses, or remarkably generous gifts. To discount all three elements of USADA's case, and the way they overlap and intersect, is nothing less than being willfully blind.


None of these riders are heroes for their admissions. They had options, all of them -- to ride without artificial aid; to leave Europe and return to the lower-stakes U.S. circuit; to do something else for a living...


and I think we can mostly agree with this

There is no other logical conclusion. After today, anyone who remains unconvinced simply doesn't want to know.



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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8487169/usada-report-lance-armstrong-end-debate-whether-doped
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11 Oct 2012 22:26

Sarcastic Wet Trout wrote:Here's a tweet from Paul Sherwen today:


Oh dear,

Did it really take him 2 days to read it? And he thinks that is worth noting?

He must move his lips while he reads.
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11 Oct 2012 23:00

Descender wrote:Reading between the lines of Harmon's words is like analysing the message of a Justin Bieber song.
I never thought you'd listen to Justin Bieber. LOL! I'm starting to understand better your personality. :)
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11 Oct 2012 23:02

Some journo's are standing up and admitting their errors in the past:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-was-wrong-and-others-must-come-clean-too-20121011-27fr9.html

About time, but I hope this leads to a more inquisitive press willing to put pressure on following rumours in the future, rather than the passive wait-and-see/not-my-job approach of the last decade.

That also applies to many fans too.
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12 Oct 2012 00:17

peterst6906 wrote:Some journo's are standing up and admitting their errors in the past:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/i-was-wrong-and-others-must-come-clean-too-20121011-27fr9.html

About time, but I hope this leads to a more inquisitive press willing to put pressure on following rumours in the future, rather than the passive wait-and-see/not-my-job approach of the last decade.

That also applies to many fans too.


You are asking them to work. That is hard. It is much easier to gobble up whatever press release you are handed, submit as your copy, collect your paycheque and go to the bar.

The added benefit is that if you just gobble up and reprint what you are handed, someone else will likely pick up the bar tab.
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12 Oct 2012 00:21

Its so pathetic seeing all these complicit journos like Rupert covering their back sides now
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12 Oct 2012 00:26

Sarcastic Wet Trout wrote:Here's a tweet from Paul Sherwen today:



Phill is a total fraud, career over?
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12 Oct 2012 01:00

Hillavoider wrote:Its so pathetic seeing all these complicit journos like Rupert covering their back sides now


Yes and No. Journalist Omerta is no different to rider Omerta.

Nail the guys who are still repentant. Nail Phil. Rupert's braver than most, he's one of the first to blow the journo Omerta lid (other than Kimmage of course). And this is his second mea culpa in 2 weeks. Good on him.

Kimmage = Bassons category. Rupert = Vaughters category. Phil = Lance category.

By the way I have been critical (in more than one way, believe me) of Rupert. Here and elsewhere.
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12 Oct 2012 01:05

Mrs John Murphy wrote:And it would be nice if Benson were to stop ripping off our work.


I have no issue. I post here without copyright. If someone wants to use (some of my/our) inputs etc for "the good cause" then mission accomplished for me.
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