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VeloVeritas' reaction: A Scandal Too Far

12 Oct 2012 22:19

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12 Oct 2012 23:13

dont know if it has been mentioned here or in another thread but i thought Harmonn was very very good today.

Less holding back, went after Lance, but also went after the people claiming they are shocked by the revelations, mocking them - asif you didnt kinow, and especially bailsford. Was disapointing to see Lance fanboy Backsted defend Bailsford but you cant get everything :D


And he also said in addition to his usual - sport is getting cleaner hurrray, that by no means does it mean the sport is clean.

Far more impressed than i have ever been by his comments.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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12 Oct 2012 23:16

Funny how he isn't shocked and yet spent all those years bashing anyone who questioned Armstrong.

Sorry but Harmon seems to be just trying to re-write his own past here to make himself seem slightly less of a **** but ending up coming off worse.

He needs to look at himself and criticise himself first before throwing others under the bus.
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13 Oct 2012 00:03

Mrs John Murphy wrote:Which is ironic because when Landis and Hamilton came out with their accusations he was very strong in attacking Landis and Hamilton.


David Harmon in person and David Harmon on Eurosport are two different people. Harmon in person has been critical and damning of Armstrong for years. Harmon on Eurosport works for a company that for years had "Planet Armstrong" and then has a lot of viewers who simply dont want to hear that "****"

You want people who have pandered to, and peddled the Lance myth? Their name is at the top of this page.
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13 Oct 2012 00:22

TheGame wrote:David Harmon in person and David Harmon on Eurosport are two different people. Harmon in person has been critical and damning of Armstrong for years. Harmon on Eurosport works for a company that for years had "Planet Armstrong" and then has a lot of viewers who simply dont want to hear that "****"
It makes sense. I doubt somebody can make a similar case for Phil Liggett... :rolleyes:
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13 Oct 2012 00:25

Mrs John Murphy wrote:According to this guy Armstrong would have won even if it had been raced clean...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/video/player/news/AP_Sports/30836631#news/AP_Sports/30836631


How in the f*ck would anyone be able to draw the conclusion? Idiot needs to read Hamilton's book.
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13 Oct 2012 00:40

cineteq wrote:This is the reason LA still hero regardless of being the biggest cheat in sports. :(

"The true tragedy of Lance Armstrong's story isn't about him. It's about the people who have looked at him as inspiration. It's the cyclists and the rehabilitating cancer sufferers to whom Armstrong wasn't a man on a bike but a poster-boy for overcoming the impossible. In the coming weeks while the headlines obsess over the fallout and the implications for the future of cycling, spare a thought anyone sitting in chemotherapy who just lost a little bit of hope."

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2012-10/12/lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-doping-scandal


A cheat, the biggest or the smallest, is no hero by my definition of "hero". The terms "hero" and "cheat" are opposites, mutually exclusive. And, let us not forget that The PED use is only one portion of the allegations, which also seem to include conspiracy, fraud and maybe even perjury. And consider all the civil suits that will follow in the USADA's wake. And again, weigh LA's lack of credibility and the growing number of fingers being pointed at him. Criminal charges?
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13 Oct 2012 00:42

Ferminal wrote:Anderson knew the truth all along though.


There has to be a journalist out there who is going to come clean. I want a journalist to say that he or she knew or believed that Armstrong was a doper, but kept quiet because expressing that opinion wasn't good for his or her career at the time.
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13 Oct 2012 00:42

TheGame wrote:David Harmon in person and David Harmon on Eurosport are two different people. Harmon in person has been critical and damning of Armstrong for years. .


Interesting? What makes you think that if he couldn't say it on Eurosport.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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13 Oct 2012 00:50

TheGame wrote:David Harmon in person and David Harmon on Eurosport are two different people. Harmon in person has been critical and damning of Armstrong for years. Harmon on Eurosport works for a company that for years had "Planet Armstrong" and then has a lot of viewers who simply dont want to hear that "****"

You want people who have pandered to, and peddled the Lance myth? Their name is at the top of this page.


Then Harmon is very stupid. If you suspect someone, are critical of them in private, but can't/don't want to voice your concerns fine, but don't spend years blowing that person in the public every time you get the chance.

If nothing else is shows the lack of integrity of Harmon that he was unwilling to make a stand as Kimmage and Walsh did, instead he chose to take the pay check and suck on the Armstrong teat.
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13 Oct 2012 01:04

sairyder wrote:http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/video/2289856119/phil-anderson-on-lance-armstrong

Phil Anderson eats humble pie and doesn't look comfortable doing it.


not very impressive, Phil literally says the words "humble pie" but it's just lip service. He still denies that he saw any evidence of Lance doping back in the 90s (exonerating himself of guilt for his retarded public stance on the matter), and he says that Lance still earned those tours by beating a bunch of other dopers. Omerta in full effect; don't admit to more than you absolutely have to.
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13 Oct 2012 01:16

Mrs John Murphy wrote:As we know, much the media at best turned a blind eye to Armstrong's doping and the rumours about it, or worse became cheer-leaders and bandwagon jumpers.

While we're holding riders, officials and DSs to account the media also needs to be held accountable.

So I thought it might be good to collect media reactions - who are holding their hands up, who is re-writing their own history and involvement, who continues to bury their head in the sand and who are the true believers.

The BBC seems to be burying its head in the sand and deleting any comments in the Lance Armstrong discussion about members of Sky named in the report and statements.


http://video.answers.com/frankie-andreu-and-lance-armstrong-on-speaking-terms-484148908

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13 Oct 2012 01:20

Before going to jail, Lance should make a movie. What a talent!:)
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13 Oct 2012 01:24

The old doping apologists line. 'They had no choice, they were forced by circumstances.' Excuses, excuses and more whiny self-justification as to why they ****ed up.

Everybody has a choice. They knew what they were doing and they took the easy option and were and are complicit in getting the sport into the mess its in now.
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13 Oct 2012 01:28

gooner wrote:Andrew Sutcliffe, the former editor of Cycling Weekly says he wished he did more to report on the doping at US Postal.

A couple of extracts from it:





http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-former-editor--it-was-a-coverup--and-i-was-part-of-it-8209762.html

Good post - good to hear them say why they didn't report the truth
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13 Oct 2012 01:30

Mrs John Murphy wrote:The old doping apologists line. 'They had no choice, they were forced by circumstances.' Excuses, excuses and more whiny self-justification as to why they ****ed up.

Everybody has a choice. They knew what they were doing and they took the easy option and were and are complicit in getting the sport into the mess its in now.


Are you referring to Frankie?
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13 Oct 2012 01:34

Best summary of the 1000 pages I have found so far - gets to the meat of it with helpful subheadings - not sure how to get around the paywall (I've got the hard copy here) - but here is the link

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/a-ride-through-lance-armstrongs-hall-of-shame/story-fnb64oi6-1226494699810?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAustralianSportsNews+%28The+Australian+%7C+Sport%29
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13 Oct 2012 01:38

sairyder wrote:Best summary of the 1000 pages I have found so far - gets to the meat of it with helpful subheadings - not sure how to get around the paywall (I've got the hard copy here) - but here is the link

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/a-ride-through-lance-armstrongs-hall-of-shame/story-fnb64oi6-1226494699810?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAustralianSportsNews+%28The+Australian+%7C+Sport%29


You almost tempt me into going to buy that rag...
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13 Oct 2012 01:41

My Prize for Australian Journalistic Armstrong SLAPDOWN of the Year (with a little dig at Bradley on the way) - Sadly not by a cycling Journalist - but out there never the less.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/armstrong-a-fraud-and-frauds-cant-be-heroes-not-now-not-ever/story-e6frg7uo-1226494717419
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13 Oct 2012 01:43

sairyder wrote:My Prize for Australian Journalistic Armstrong SLAPDOWN of the Year (with a little dig at Bradley on the way) - Sadly not by a cycling Journalist - but out there never the less.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/armstrong-a-fraud-and-frauds-cant-be-heroes-not-now-not-ever/story-e6frg7uo-1226494717419


Is there a non-paywall version?
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