Log in:  

Register

When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

The Clinic is the only place on Cyclingnews where you can discuss doping-related issues. Ask questions, discuss positives or improvements to procedures.

Moderators: Eshnar, King Boonen, Red Rick, Pricey_sky

When is the smackdown on Chris Horner?

17 Oct 2012 02:16

Seriously why does this guy talk so much smack?

“Never seen it on the team. Never heard about it. Never seen it,” Horner told VeloNews Monday afternoon. “It’s just disappointing, everything you see, everything you read.”

Horner has raced for Bruyneel since 2008, first with Astana, then on to RadioShack in 2010 and RadioShack-Nissan in 2012. Bruyneel last week stepped down from his position at RadioShack-Nissan in light of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency’s investigation into Lance Armstrong, which painted the two of them as the masterminds of an unprecedented doping conspiracy that accounted for Armstrong’s seven Tour de France wins.

“I didn’t see anything that was unbelievable. When you’re reading it now about he past, it’s hard to take and bad news,” Horner said of his time under Bruyneel, with two seasons alongside Armstrong. He said he never saw Armstrong dope in that time, and also that, while Armstrong posted strong results, Horner never saw any “unbelievable” riding from the Texan.

Earlier this summer, Horner said he didn’t believe that Armstrong cheated, though in 2007 he hinted that there was more to Armstrong’s team’s dominance than just bread and water, wondering just how a team — though he never said Armstrong’s, outright — could finish mountain stages with a cadre of riders around its leader.

“It is impossible to ride the front with your whole team and get to the final climb with most of your team still on the front — and be ready to come back and do it day-in and day-out,” he told cylingnews.com in 2007.


http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/horner-says-he-never-saw-doping-on-bruyneel-teams_261673
User avatar thehog
Veteran
 
Posts: 21,481
Joined: 27 Jul 2009 20:00

17 Oct 2012 02:29



I suggest we dedicate the rest of this thread to synonyms for 'Idiot', 'Pu$$y', 'Co-Conspirator' and/or 'Income'.

One word contributions '+ to 10 characters only.'
"Anybody is welcome to come and see us, be with us, live with us, 24/7 and they will soon figure it out for themselves."

Brailsford 2008 | Wiggins 2012

Excuses are for liars.
User avatar TubularBills
Member
 
Posts: 962
Joined: 15 Sep 2010 04:17
Location: Guest

17 Oct 2012 02:32

This pushed me over the top with cutting him slack!
Wtf is he trying to do? Did Johan guarantee a spot on RS til he drops? Lol
craig walsh always with us
User avatar mewmewmew13
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,284
Joined: 09 Aug 2010 22:20
Location: co

17 Oct 2012 02:35

e.g.

family-man
"Anybody is welcome to come and see us, be with us, live with us, 24/7 and they will soon figure it out for themselves."

Brailsford 2008 | Wiggins 2012

Excuses are for liars.
User avatar TubularBills
Member
 
Posts: 962
Joined: 15 Sep 2010 04:17
Location: Guest

17 Oct 2012 02:44

If he's racing next year, he should be forced to always have number 15, in honor of being rider 15.
User avatar trailrunner
Junior Member
 
Posts: 262
Joined: 09 May 2009 20:23
Location: UTC-5

17 Oct 2012 02:44

weak-willed Horner

reallyFakeFrankie got it in one!
"Hitler … didn't even sink to using chemical weapons."
User avatar blackcat
Veteran
 
Posts: 12,232
Joined: 13 Mar 2009 19:20

17 Oct 2012 02:45

If there is any justice, he'll have to answer for the doping he did on home soil back in the day.

Think Superweek during the mid-90's. A quote from Horner told directly to a rider who rode against him during that time-"It's not cheating if everyone is doing it".

That would turn out to be the motto for most of his professional career.
User avatar Berzin
Member
 
Posts: 1,926
Joined: 06 Aug 2009 17:42

17 Oct 2012 02:56

Everyone on Radio Shack is reading from the same cue cards.
Read 50 Shades of Postal. Travis Tygart's tale of sadomasochism in the pro peloton will obsess you, possess you, and stay with you forever.
User avatar Sarcastic Wet Trout
Junior Member
 
Posts: 140
Joined: 01 Oct 2012 23:39

17 Oct 2012 03:01

dude is like the anti-Forrest Gump of cycling. He's just as dumb, just as nice, but unlike the accidentally lucky Gump, he always picks the wrong course of action. He badmouthed Lance for year, to his own peril; finally, he hitches his horse to that wagon, only it's no longer a wagon...it's the Titanic. Sometimes being dumb just doesn't work out. Most times, really. Forrest Gump just happens in books and movie adaptations of said books..
User avatar 131313
Member
 
Posts: 1,108
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 05:52

17 Oct 2012 03:02

What a difference between 2007 Horner and modern-day Horner. Unlike his compatriot, he seems to have lost all of his balls.
User avatar pedaling squares
Senior Member
 
Posts: 2,842
Joined: 23 Jul 2009 03:29
Location: British Columbia

17 Oct 2012 03:05

In real life I think Horner and Liggett should room together.
craig walsh always with us
User avatar mewmewmew13
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,284
Joined: 09 Aug 2010 22:20
Location: co

17 Oct 2012 05:19

I lost respect for Horner when he joined Discovery at 36 years of age and by 37 years of age (2009) he developed into the "2nd best climber in the world". He seems like a nice bloke and popular with team mates but seriously :(
Cookster15
Member
 
Posts: 1,107
Joined: 14 May 2011 19:25

17 Oct 2012 05:58

Cookster15 wrote:I lost respect for Horner when he joined Discovery at 36 years of age and by 37 years of age (2009) he developed into the "self proclaimed 2nd best climber in the world". He seems like a nice bloke and popular with team mates but seriously :(


Fixed that for ya ;)
CyclingNews Forum Member Number 1. (verified)
All my posts are of my own opinion.
October 10, 2012 The Reasoned Decision
Points: 10 CN Infraction Points
User avatar ElChingon
Veteran
 
Posts: 5,918
Joined: 10 Mar 2009 03:19
Location: En el Internet, and Hiding from the UCI

17 Oct 2012 07:46

Horner is a f-ing coward.
Big Daddy
Junior Member
 
Posts: 233
Joined: 08 Oct 2012 17:04

17 Oct 2012 10:06

TubularBills wrote:I suggest we dedicate the rest of this thread to synonyms for 'Idiot', 'Pu$$y', 'Co-Conspirator' and/or 'Income'.

One word contributions '+ to 10 characters only.'

Not fair. "Rider-15" should be allowed.
User avatar hrotha
Veteran
 
Posts: 15,746
Joined: 10 Jun 2010 20:45

17 Oct 2012 10:12

ElChingon wrote:Fixed that for ya ;)


Nice one

The day I saw that interview I coughed up my cereal
User avatar Captain Kirk
Junior Member
 
Posts: 123
Joined: 11 Mar 2009 01:14
Location: Sydney, Australia

17 Oct 2012 10:24

Cookster15 wrote:I lost respect for Horner when he joined Discovery at 36 years of age and by 37 years of age (2009) he developed into the "2nd best climber in the world". He seems like a nice bloke and popular with team mates but seriously :(
halamala wrote:Chris Horner

Tour of California 2011, Stage 4, Final climb Sierra Rd


Elevation / Höhenmeter [m] : 532 m
Distance / Streckenlänge [Km] : 5.63 Km
Time in seconds / Fahrzeit in Sekunden [sec] : 1004 = 16 min 44 sec = 16:44
Weight rider / Gewicht Fahrer [kg] : 63.5 kg
Weight bicycle, clothes etc. / Gewicht Fahrrad [kg] : 8 kg

Grade / mittlere Seigung : 9.4 %
Average speed / mittlere Geschwindigkeit : 20.1 Km/h
Total weight / Gesamtgewicht : 71.5 kg

Power : 434.7 Watt
Power / kg : 6.8 Watt / kg


Source: [ http://www.rst.mp-all.de/bergauf.htm ]

Image
T: 16:58
P: 434.4
C: 73.6
A: 548.0
D: 4.24
E: 442:2
halamala
Junior Member
 
Posts: 184
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 00:27

17 Oct 2012 10:38

halamala wrote:Image
T: 16:58
P: 434.4
C: 73.6
A: 548.0
D: 4.24
E: 442:2


Thanks for that. So by 2011 Horner was 39 years old (!!) and pushing 6.8W/Kg in TOC :eek:

You'd think with this kind of performance progression at such an age he would keep quiet when the subject of Armstrong and USADA is raised.
Cookster15
Member
 
Posts: 1,107
Joined: 14 May 2011 19:25

17 Oct 2012 11:28

Chris, as most of you would agree, has always been a likeable fellow. I have met him on several occasions. For what it's worth, he was a great believer in cycling having turned a corner after Rasmussen/men in black summer. He claimed that the peloton had cleaned up and that his improving results were due to this. He claimed if you studied his figures for several years there was no big improvement on his part (I have no idea if this is true or not so open to being told otherwise). Having watched him compete with the best in the world in April-May and then being easily dropped in July by the same guys I always thought he was telling the truth - that he kept steady while others made massive leaps forward just when it mattered.
Something else he told me, which was of interest to me at least, is that he didn't work with any coaches - no links with the likes of Ferarri, Fuentes etc. That in itself would be unusual for a top-level doper as the coach/mentor is normally the key link in the doping chain with USP/Discovery/Radioshack riders.
Maybe he lied to me, maybe he was turned by the money or maybe he really is just the one nice guy who kept himself to himself and ignored all the BS around him.
If guilty, it seems strange to me that the USADA dished up no dirt on him whatsoever or that he hasn't felt the need to confess before someone else does it for him. His team mates who testified did so because they had too, why wasn't Chris compelled to do likewise?
I retain some hope that he told the truth.
That doesn't mean to say I believe him in saying what he is saying now - I'm sure he knew fine well what was going on but chose to ignore it. A Shack contract that forbids speaking out about it perhaps?
The other McHoy
New Member
 
Posts: 23
Joined: 12 Sep 2010 07:00

17 Oct 2012 11:43

I bet he is a nice guy.

He didn't work with Armstrong until after the relevant period, so wouldn't have had to testify.

Looking at his 2010 season under Bruyneel, to say that it's hard to believe he was clean is an understatement.

Public backing of Armstrong is also telling, as noone in the pro peloton would be under any illusions.
Scientific Expert
User avatar taiwan
Senior Member
 
Posts: 4,621
Joined: 18 Aug 2009 22:05

Next

Return to The Clinic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Craigee and 27 guests

Back to top