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25 Oct 2017 09:34



Good article.

Many moons ago, once upon a time, I thought Walsh had performed good work in his pursuit of Armstrong, at least getting it into the public arena in a more consumable way than L.A. Confidentiel.

I'll also give him further credit for wheeling out a word I hadn't used in a time and as Walsh put it perfectly himself - he is an odious individual, who just so happened to align his worldview with mine for a brief period is about all I can reconcile it to these days.

I had grown weary of his Sky-love, however he has now transgressed to an individual that I find truly repellent and loathsome.
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25 Oct 2017 12:11

Eamon Dunphy makes an eejit of himself and drops Walsh in it
"The story that I heard, through David Walsh in particular, was much more benign than the story that emerged and the evidence that was given," Dunphy said.

"It was not about grooming. It was more of a question, I was told, of underage sex which is, of course, serious, but he had been a colleague of mine and I went to see him and brought him a book."
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25 Oct 2017 13:25

fmk_RoI wrote:Refusing counseling because he feels he doesn't deserve it is perfectly believable by anyone who understands depression.


Was he depressed because he was caught and not because of his actions?

fmk_RoI wrote:Believing that the letters of reference were requested by his legal representative is believable by anyone who knows the legal system.


Legal reps only act from instructions from client. TH asked for refs or asked counsel to ask for refs.

Why did TH let Walsh try and set up a sports magazine to fund TH?

Sorry TH is a paedo and nothing in the evidence will convince otherwise. He only recently admitted his guilt. 5 years after the event. There were other victims involved. Only 1 came forward prepared to give evidence. TH is not someone who is remorseful. He has not admitted to other offences. As tweet said, a manipulator and imo a full scale predator.
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25 Oct 2017 13:37

Benotti69 wrote:TH asked for refs or asked counsel to ask for refs.
Doubtlessly, as usual, you have proof of this assertion and aren't just talking shite.
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25 Oct 2017 13:40

Benotti69 wrote:Sorry TH is a paedo and nothing in the evidence will convince otherwise.
You see, this is the great thing about some people. They have so little to say they ignore what you actually said and invent something else to reply to.
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25 Oct 2017 15:21

Let's tone it down a notch, please...
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25 Oct 2017 16:52

Former sports journalist Paul Howard - who recently revealed that David Walsh had approached him privately with plans to create a magazine to help Humphries - reveals that certain friends of Humphries sought to create a false impression of the situation he faced:
Paul Howard‏ @AkaPaulHoward

It's clear that several of Tom Humphries' media friends were determined to see him as some tortured character from a Nabokov novel.
And:
Paul Howard‏ @AkaPaulHoward

Until the facts of the case got in the way of that narrative.
And:
Paul Howard@AkaPaulHoward

Over the last six years, some of us have had to walk away from conversations with friends of Tom who tried to push that very line.
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25 Oct 2017 17:08

Benotti69 wrote:Sorry TH is a paedo and nothing in the evidence will convince otherwise. He only recently admitted his guilt. 5 years after the event. There were other victims involved. Only 1 came forward prepared to give evidence. TH is not someone who is remorseful. He has not admitted to other offences. As tweet said, a manipulator and imo a full scale predator.


I’ve always understood that term to apply only to relationships involving children pre-puberty, and wiki says the maximum age is 13. So by the most common definition Humphries was not a pedophile (unless there were other, younger victims; maybe there were, but I haven't found any reports of ages). A predator, sure, but there is a world of difference between an older man having a sexual relationship with someone who doesn’t even understand what sex is, and someone who does. The girl was fourteen when he started texting her, sixteen when they first had sex, not an adult, but not exactly a child, either. Many people seem to regard Humphries as a monster, equating what he did, apparently, with murder (a life sentence was theoretically possible?). He strikes me more as a con man. Did he rape the girl, physically overpowering her? I don’t know, but nothing I’ve read about the case indicates that he did, and the fact that she agreed to see him voluntarily, then saw him again several more times, certainly strongly argues that he didn’t.

I'm not saying this to minimize what Humphries did, but to point out that when considering crimes of adults vs. children, there is a spectrum, and what Humphries did is not nearly the worst that can be done. The girl may be scarred for life, she may say her childhood was destroyed, but she is not nearly as scarred, and not nearly as much of her childhood has been destroyed, as someone who has been abused by his/her parents until adulthood. Nor does her experience equate with that of Jerry Sandusky's victims, who were far younger and more vulnerable, and definitely did make him fit the definition of a pedophile. There's no sharp line when individuals become adults, and are considered responsible for their behavior, but their ability to understand what's going on certainly increases as they age.

What puzzles me most about this is that it apparently remained a secret until one of Humphries' daughters discovered some texts on his cell phone. It seems until then, no one knew this was going on. Having a young daughter myself, I have a really difficult time believing the girl didn’t tell any of her friends about this, and that none of them advised her to stop texting Humphries, and none ever reported this to an adult. Again, I'm not saying this to dismiss what she went through, but I find it odd she never reached out to her friends.
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25 Oct 2017 17:24

Merckx index wrote:What puzzles me most about this is that it apparently remained a secret until one of Humphries' daughters discovered some texts on his cell phone. It seems until then, no one knew this was going on. Having a young daughter myself, I have a really difficult time believing the girl didn’t tell any of her friends about this, and that none of them advised her to stop texting Humphries, and none ever reported this to an adult. Again, I'm not saying this to dismiss what she went through, but I find it odd she never reached out to her friends.
How much was known - or ought to have been known - is one of the issues Ewan MacKenna is pressing, with reference to a particular incident:
There's a heart-wrenching story that took place at the clubhouse of a prominent GAA club in the midst of this tragedy. Tom Humphries was inside, having a drink at the bar with an adult female member. Outside in the car park was the girl he groomed and was continuing to groom. We can never comprehend what was going through her mind nor should we have the arrogance to attempt to, but she was in tears and in view. And still this was allowed to go on.
I'm not going to get into an argument with you, but I would ask that you re-read what you've written, because a lot of it does come across as blaming the girl for inaction, and I don't think that that's reasonable. First, when he started sending her sexually explicit texts, she did ask him to stop, and for a time he did. Second, I think many people - male and female - can relate to being in situations which could have been eased if only we'd asked for help, but for whatever reason we were unable to reach out to others. Such are the weaknesses that some prey on. They should not be used to excuse what others have done, they should not be used to make us guilty for what others have done.

You should probably also read this.
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25 Oct 2017 20:21

One such reason is often the very real fear that no-one will believe you or take you seriously.
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25 Oct 2017 20:45

Benotti69 wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:Refusing counseling because he feels he doesn't deserve it is perfectly believable by anyone who understands depression.


Was he depressed because he was caught and not because of his actions?

fmk_RoI wrote:Believing that the letters of reference were requested by his legal representative is believable by anyone who knows the legal system.


Legal reps only act from instructions from client. TH asked for refs or asked counsel to ask for refs.

Why did TH let Walsh try and set up a sports magazine to fund TH?

Sorry TH is a paedo and nothing in the evidence will convince otherwise. He only recently admitted his guilt. 5 years after the event. There were other victims involved. Only 1 came forward prepared to give evidence. TH is not someone who is remorseful. He has not admitted to other offences. As tweet said, a manipulator and imo a full scale predator.

Not a paedo..definite predator and manipulator, there is a huge diffference as already pointed out. Waited till the girl hit an age he thought was ok , UK age of consent is 16..which the girl was, the difference here is he groomed her well in advance of that- and age of consent in Ireland is 18.
I am a little confused with the judges decision. If you abuse a position of power ie you're a teacher/guard/parent etc max sentence is 10 yrs. If you're not in that position its 5 which is what his was reduced from....was he not in a position of trust and power as a coach at the GAA club ?
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Re: Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

26 Oct 2017 07:07

Is this thread about Walsh being a loved up Sky sycophant? I'm confused :confused:
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26 Oct 2017 12:51

noddy69 wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:Refusing counseling because he feels he doesn't deserve it is perfectly believable by anyone who understands depression.


Was he depressed because he was caught and not because of his actions?

fmk_RoI wrote:Believing that the letters of reference were requested by his legal representative is believable by anyone who knows the legal system.


Legal reps only act from instructions from client. TH asked for refs or asked counsel to ask for refs.

Why did TH let Walsh try and set up a sports magazine to fund TH?

Sorry TH is a paedo and nothing in the evidence will convince otherwise. He only recently admitted his guilt. 5 years after the event. There were other victims involved. Only 1 came forward prepared to give evidence. TH is not someone who is remorseful. He has not admitted to other offences. As tweet said, a manipulator and imo a full scale predator.

Not a paedo..definite predator and manipulator, there is a huge diffference as already pointed out. Waited till the girl hit an age he thought was ok , UK age of consent is 16..which the girl was, the difference here is he groomed her well in advance of that- and age of consent in Ireland is 18.
I am a little confused with the judges decision. If you abuse a position of power ie you're a teacher/guard/parent etc max sentence is 10 yrs. If you're not in that position its 5 which is what his was reduced from....was he not in a position of trust and power as a coach at the GAA club ?


https://www.independent.ie/sport/ewan-mackenna-humphries-walsh-cusackthe-shame-game-36259052.html

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/paedophile-humphries-relieved-to-be-away-from-public-in-jail-36262740.html


Paedophile Tom Humphries is "relieved" to be in prison away from the publicity surrounding his case, it has emerged.
Convicted paedophile Humphries, who is now known as prisoner 108586, is on the G1 landing of the Midlands prison after being jailed for two and a half years.
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26 Oct 2017 13:07

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Hi folks, this is starting to get pretty off-topic now. Considering that what Tom Humphries did has been reported I don't really think we need to continue debating over what term we need to use, especially as he isn't the subject of the thread.
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26 Oct 2017 16:01

David Walsh, in 2012, in Seven Deadly Sins:
"When I wrote about the 1984 Paris-Brussels in the biography, I didn't mention the rattle of pills in the morning and I tried to make the case that it was hard to believe Kelly had used a substance so easily detectable. I chose to see the ridiculous leniency of the authorities as proof that, at worst, it was a minor infraction. It wasn't how a proper journalist would have reacted. At the time I knew what I was doing."
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26 Oct 2017 22:07

fmk_RoI wrote:David Walsh, in 2012, in Seven Deadly Sins:
"When I wrote about the 1984 Paris-Brussels in the biography, I didn't mention the rattle of pills in the morning and I tried to make the case that it was hard to believe Kelly had used a substance so easily detectable. I chose to see the ridiculous leniency of the authorities as proof that, at worst, it was a minor infraction. It wasn't how a proper journalist would have reacted. At the time I knew what I was doing."


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Shall we put his Sky book in the same, er ..... place?
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27 Oct 2017 19:46

King Boonen wrote:Mod hat on:

Hi folks, this is starting to get pretty off-topic now. Considering that what Tom Humphries did has been reported I don't really think we need to continue debating over what term we need to use, especially as he isn't the subject of the thread.

Disagree slightly as he is being labelled something he is not. I think its fair to point that out as there is a difference. David didn't give a character reference to a Paedo but to a sex offender and sexual predator.Its actually quite a difference and if you think this crime is bad-and it is, then an actual Paedo is far worse.
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27 Oct 2017 23:36

noddy69 wrote:
King Boonen wrote:Mod hat on:

Hi folks, this is starting to get pretty off-topic now. Considering that what Tom Humphries did has been reported I don't really think we need to continue debating over what term we need to use, especially as he isn't the subject of the thread.

Disagree slightly as he is being labelled something he is not. I think its fair to point that out as there is a difference. David didn't give a character reference to a Paedo but to a sex offender and sexual predator.Its actually quite a difference and if you think this crime is bad-and it is, then an actual Paedo is far worse.
Only if he too becomes an offender.
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28 Oct 2017 07:51

noddy69 wrote:
King Boonen wrote:Mod hat on:

Hi folks, this is starting to get pretty off-topic now. Considering that what Tom Humphries did has been reported I don't really think we need to continue debating over what term we need to use, especially as he isn't the subject of the thread.

Disagree slightly as he is being labelled something he is not. I think its fair to point that out as there is a difference. David didn't give a character reference to a Paedo but to a sex offender and sexual predator.Its actually quite a difference and if you think this crime is bad-and it is, then an actual Paedo is far worse.

Sorry, seems I wasn’t clear. I’m not saying that it doesn’t matter what labelled is applied to Tom Humphries, I’m saying that there is not need to either use a labelled or debate it here. His crimes have been widely reported and people can draw their own conclusions about what they think is an appropriate term. Maybe a better thing for me to say would be to please refer to TomHumphries by his name only, just to avoid the off-topic debate. Is that fair?
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28 Oct 2017 10:07

King Boonen wrote:
noddy69 wrote:
King Boonen wrote:Mod hat on:

Hi folks, this is starting to get pretty off-topic now. Considering that what Tom Humphries did has been reported I don't really think we need to continue debating over what term we need to use, especially as he isn't the subject of the thread.

Disagree slightly as he is being labelled something he is not. I think its fair to point that out as there is a difference. David didn't give a character reference to a Paedo but to a sex offender and sexual predator.Its actually quite a difference and if you think this crime is bad-and it is, then an actual Paedo is far worse.

Sorry, seems I wasn’t clear. I’m not saying that it doesn’t matter what labelled is applied to Tom Humphries, I’m saying that there is not need to either use a labelled or debate it here. His crimes have been widely reported and people can draw their own conclusions about what they think is an appropriate term. Maybe a better thing for me to say would be to please refer to TomHumphries by his name only, just to avoid the off-topic debate. Is that fair?

Fine with that.
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