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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

18 Jan 2013 06:19

I rewatched the first half of the interview and got this list of untruths, can't be bothered to watch the second half since bed is calling, but maybe someone wants to finish the list and add in the rest of his creative rememberings from tomorrow?

I started doping in the mid 90's.

I didn't have access to anything else that nobody else did.

Doping program was very conservative, very risk averse, very aware of what mattered and didn't, one race mattered for me.

I didn't read Tyler's book.

Doesn't remember coke cans, or doping in the camper with fans outside.

My cocktail was only EPO (not a lot) transfusions and testosterone.

You're clean at the races.

The biological passport really worked, but I wasn't doping in 2009/2010.

Absolutely true that I stopped doping in 2005.

I could only get someone fired depending on what they're doing.

It's not true that I threatened CVV to get with the program or you're off the TdF team. (he's probably being technically truthful in that he used different wording than what Oprah asked).

I care a lot about Christian.
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18 Jan 2013 06:39

Would not it be quicker just to list the times Lance told the truth and save cn clinic fora bandwidth?
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18 Jan 2013 06:56

blackcat wrote:Would not it be quicker just to list the times Lance told the truth and save cn clinic fora bandwidth?


:D :D

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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

19 Jan 2013 06:33

The Lance Armstrong that we previously knew so well, is now completely shattered, ruined, screwed, destroyed and vulnerable to all kinds of lawsuits, so this made-for-TV confession (or lack thereof) is a major turning point in this whole saga, even for cycling, whether we like it or not, particularly when most of us didn't even see that any form of confession was ever going to happen.

As a result, I think this post-confession period deserves a new thread.

This thread will be for all that happen to Armstrong and everything that he does/says after his Oprah interview: lawsuits, interactions with USADA/WADA (if any), whistleblowing on UCI (if he will), and whatever that's relevant to Armstrong, etc.
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19 Jan 2013 06:54

"Do you feel disgraced?" Winfrey asked.

"Of course," Armstrong conceded. "But I also feel humbled. I feel ashamed. This is ugly stuff."

Why not "I am ugly stuff" Lance?
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19 Jan 2013 07:15

I feel like a parrot saying this...it should be over to the Feds or whoever to look at LieStrong

I wonder if that will happen?
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19 Jan 2013 07:26

Why ZERO mention of his money?!?!

"All my doping, lying, cheating, etc. et al cost me $75 million in the future."

Boo.
Hoo.


Doprah should have asked him if he felt so truly horrible about all the things he has done in the last 15 years (besides doping), then why not return all his ill-gotten gains ($$$) -- with public apologies -- to the rightful parties, as well as paying massive restitution to those people whose careers and/or reputations he destroyed to protect his own fraudulent life?

Guess he loves money more than he loves truth.
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19 Jan 2013 08:11

he cannot have "lost" 75 million dollars in future income.

that is like a bank robber who pulls a heist. the proceeds of which he invests and collects the dividends. the tax authorities discover the ill-gotten investing and confiscate the remaining principle. the bank robber then gives an interview complaining of the lost income.

uh. yeah.
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19 Jan 2013 08:16

My overall imprecision of the " LA's confession Aftermath" is simple:

It did not measure up to the massive scam that lance Armstrong himself & Co have pulled off over the last 15 years & sadly Oprah has allowed him to seize the opportunity to manipulate, control & overcome the public's opinion to further his hollow image of "redemption & guilt" while opening the opportunity for him to pursue his career with impunity & financial gain through a possible "book & movie deal"...............................Meanwhile- the Andreu's have to struggle with whatever they can earn because the simply "told the Truth"............

sad indeed......
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19 Jan 2013 09:41

What a joke, this "confession". Imagine a serial raper coming to the catholic church for a confession and instead of him telling everything, the priest grabs newspaper and asks:

- My son, did you rape Marie-Ann?
- Yes, but you know, everyone from my gang was raping...

- OK my son, and did you rape Josephine?
- Yes, but you know, without raping, I could not win respect of my gang...

- Very good, and did you rape also Adele?
- Yes, but only a little, and damn, I feel humiliated, this is so ugly
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19 Jan 2013 09:51

Armstrong should not give back money that he did work his *** of for. It is sad that they need to set an example this way.
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How I would know Lance really is sorry

19 Jan 2013 10:06

1. He gives at least 95% of his fortune to a real charity
2. He publicly admits exactly what he did to and said about Lemond, the Andreus, Kimmage, at al and ask them what he can do to make amends
3. He gives up his attempt to return to cycling, tri, whatever and spends the time trying to repair his relationship with his kids instead
4. He volunteers to help out at his local hospital helping cancer patients during their treatment
5. He publicly admits that the show he just gave with Oprah was more of the same BS

Feel free to add your own.
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19 Jan 2013 10:13

This whole thing recalls a Brechtian drama, unfortunately without a Kurt Weil to set it to memorable music.

As much as the current narrative requires a reviled character, as much as he willingly acted the part, Lance was almost certainly a bit player.

Corruption within cycling obviously goes much deeper - if the Weisels, McQuaids and Verbruggens are not rooted out, this whole exercise will have been a failure.
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19 Jan 2013 10:15

In a "confession", he tells everything, not only few picks from what's already well known and proven. I mean, UCI links, doping network details, the whole history. But we know him, he'll never do this voluntarily, only jailtime threat may force him to fully collaborate.
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19 Jan 2013 10:23

6. He gets the word "CHEATER" tattoo'd in big letters on his forehead for all to see forever more.
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Lemond and Armstrong

19 Jan 2013 10:44

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19 Jan 2013 10:48

ValleyFlowers wrote:Where things stand now:

Kathy LeMond: Armstrong embarrassed, not truly sorry


Good grief.
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19 Jan 2013 11:00

Oprah as vehicle for the truth was never gonna happen. Everyone knew he doped. So admitting to the doping was no biggie for him. The rest well we didn't get it, we got more lies. He lied about bribing UCI, he lied about being sorry or contrite. He doesn't feel he cheated, he feels he did waht everyone else did so not cheating, which shows how contrite he is. He compares himself Ullrich, Mayo, Basso, but forgets Bassons and Scott Mercier and guys who walked rather than cheat.

If people still buy into Armstrong as a true sports hero, they have problems.

If people buy that he is truly sorry for his actions, they have problems.

If people believe he chose the weakest interviewer with the largest possile audience to get his fake message across becuase he truly was sorry, they have problems.

I hope CBS or other large media organisation does an in depth look in LieStrong and finds out where the money goes. It isn't to help people with cancer that is for sure.
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19 Jan 2013 11:03

peterh wrote:Good grief.


hope that yella wrist band still fits.
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19 Jan 2013 11:13

As much as the current narrative requires a reviled character, as much as he willingly acted the part, Lance was almost certainly a bit player.

Corruption within cycling obviously goes much deeper - if the Weisels, McQuaids and Verbruggens are not rooted out, this whole exercise will have been a failure.
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