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24 Sep 2017 03:43

[quote/]As far as I can see the message is "dopers win - you might not get to keep everything but you keep most - riding clean is for suckers !"[/quote]

Freddy ... ever think, "What if this is as good as it gets?"

Armstrong had a product that people wanted. Even now, after accusations, confessions, bans, books , movies ad nauseum ... intended to burn him at the stake ... he still has a product that people want, at least hundreds of thousands of people (e.g. his Stages podcast). Don't let your evangelism, cloud your Shyte, man.

The bologna of Armstrong ruining cycling, destroying people's lives. Cease and desist with this utter silliness.

Armstrong, pro cycling and most fans are moving on. There are few still riding the bench, handwringing about how badly fans were hurt.
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Re: Re:

24 Sep 2017 17:20

fmk_RoI wrote:
yaco wrote:I still wonder how out of the myriad of companies that sponsored cycling teams who had systematic doping programs only US Postal suffered brand damage - Continue lighting the flame.
It's not USPS's case. How hard is this to understand? Flandis is using a law that is supposed to protect tax dollars.


I fully understand that is US Postal is a Government agency - Other teams have been sponsored by Government agencies and nil has happened.
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24 Sep 2017 17:30

yaco wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:
yaco wrote:I still wonder how out of the myriad of companies that sponsored cycling teams who had systematic doping programs only US Postal suffered brand damage - Continue lighting the flame.
It's not USPS's case. How hard is this to understand? Flandis is using a law that is supposed to protect tax dollars.


I fully understand that is US Postal is a Government agency - Other teams have been sponsored by Government agencies and nil has happened.
Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.
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Re: Re:

24 Sep 2017 18:24

fmk_RoI wrote:Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.


Yes, father.

Do national lotteries count? What about Astana? How many words do you require for your essay and which style guide do you prefer? Geez. It's not like you provide any references for your grand pronouncements...

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24 Sep 2017 18:46

ScienceIsCool wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.


Yes, father.

Do national lotteries count? What about Astana? How many words do you require for your essay and which style guide do you prefer? Geez. It's not like you provide any references for your grand pronouncements...

John Swanson


Very good point re: Astana. Another Cookson misstep. Don’t worry too much about FMK. He tends to get a little precise on matters and diappears when he messes up. None the less it’s unlikely Kasshsjsjdgdhstan would have a Federal whistle blowers statute! More likely they would be an official arm to cover up such matters.
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24 Sep 2017 18:48

thehog wrote:[None the less it’s unlikely Kasshsjsjdgdhstan would have a Federal whistle blowers statute!
Gosh.
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24 Sep 2017 19:08

thehog wrote:
ScienceIsCool wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.


Yes, father.

Do national lotteries count? What about Astana? How many words do you require for your essay and which style guide do you prefer? Geez. It's not like you provide any references for your grand pronouncements...

John Swanson


Very good point re: Astana. Another Cookson misstep. Don’t worry too much about FMK. He tends to get a little precise on matters and diappears when he messes up. None the less it’s unlikely Kasshsjsjdgdhstan would have a Federal whistle blowers statute! More likely they would be an official arm to cover up such matters.


To be fair, Kazakhstan did introduce a whistle blower and anti-corruption law but it’s not likely to be enforced, so anyone speaking out it unlikely to get triple damages. Most likely more a bullet to the back of the head :cool:

Article 1. Purposes of the Law 1. This Law is intended for protection of rights and freedoms of citizens, assuring national security of the Republic of Kazakhstan against any threats emerging from corrupt practices, guaranteeing of effective operation of state agencies, officers and other persons that perform state functions, and also persons having equivalent status, by means of preventing, revealing, suppressing and detecting of corruption-related offences, remediation of consequences thereof and holding guilty persons liable; it also determines core principles of anticorruption efforts, sets categories of corruptionrelated offences, and the conditions, upon which liability shall arise.

2. This Law is also intended for expansion of democratic principles, publicity and control over government of the state, strengthening of public credit towards the state and state structures, encouraging of qualified specialists to enter the state service , and creation of the environment that would promote probity of the persons exercising public functions.
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Re: Re:

24 Sep 2017 19:11

thehog wrote:
ScienceIsCool wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.


Yes, father.

Do national lotteries count? What about Astana? How many words do you require for your essay and which style guide do you prefer? Geez. It's not like you provide any references for your grand pronouncements...

John Swanson


Very good point re: Astana. Another Cookson misstep. Don’t worry too much about FMK. He tends to get a little precise on matters and diappears when he messes up. None the less it’s unlikely Kasshsjsjdgdhstan would have a Federal whistle blowers statute! More likely they would be an official arm to cover up such matters.


I do agree on national lotteries and the public funding of British Cycling being merged with Team is a big issue. The UK does have whistle blower protection but you do not get punitive damages in Britain, one can only recover actual loss (if any).
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Re: Re:

25 Sep 2017 00:04

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86TDFWinner wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.

Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D

Got any proof of that statement? the obsession is hard like a ... never mind but you get the point. humping up on fence posts and such. Much like phineas and ferb along with gregs cammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmio.

Got any proof he's not doing that?
Seems fishy in that a pathological liar would continue delaying his case, just long enough for him to hide money overseas.
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25 Sep 2017 00:38

86TDFWinner wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
86TDFWinner wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.

Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D

Got any proof of that statement? the obsession is hard like a ... never mind but you get the point. humping up on fence posts and such. Much like phineas and ferb along with gregs cammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmio.

Got any proof he's not doing that?
Seems fishy in that a pathological liar would continue delaying his case, just long enough for him to hide money overseas.

You seem to be so hung up on one cyclist that your a@@ can't get moving forward? That is really sad. Your boy has done cartoons for kids and such even if we all know he was on the juice.
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25 Sep 2017 04:52

86TDFWinner wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
86TDFWinner wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.

Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D

Got any proof of that statement? the obsession is hard like a ... never mind but you get the point. humping up on fence posts and such. Much like phineas and ferb along with gregs cammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmio.

Got any proof he's not doing that?
Seems fishy in that a pathological liar would continue delaying his case, just long enough for him to hide money overseas.


Pathology is apt. Maybe mislocated as siempre has it.
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25 Sep 2017 15:49

Semper Fidelis wrote:
86TDFWinner wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.

Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D

Got any proof of that statement? ....

He flauted the law to get the $96 mil USD he stands to lose. It seems reasonable to me to presume he would do the same to keep it. Just what limits would you expect someone to adhere to who already has demonstrated such a flexible (and fungible) moral code, especially since he repeatedly has made it abundantly clear he feels he is being persecuted unfairly.

Besides, wouldn't you be? "Secret offshore accounts" might be a mild exaggeration but if the million$ at risk were yours, wouldn't you be considering extreme measures to preserve your capital? I'd think you'd have to be daft not to.
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25 Sep 2017 16:05

StyrbjornSterki wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
86TDFWinner wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.

Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D

Got any proof of that statement? ....

He flauted the law to get the $96 mil USD he stands to lose. It seems reasonable to me to presume he would do the same to keep it. Just what limits would you expect someone to adhere to who already has demonstrated such a flexible (and fungible) moral code, especially since he repeatedly has made it abundantly clear he feels he is being persecuted unfairly.

Besides, wouldn't you be? "Secret offshore accounts" might be a mild exaggeration but if the million$ at risk were yours, wouldn't you be considering extreme measures to preserve your capital? I'd think you'd have to be daft not to.


I always think the figures attributed to famous people about their earnings is always wrong. It is a guess, without working out taxes, agents, costs, expenses etc......

Armstrong definitely has some millions, but nowhere near the 120 he was reported to have.
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25 Sep 2017 16:26

StyrbjornSterki wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
86TDFWinner wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:And LA punts the ball another six months down the road: trial won't start until May 2018 now.

Wonderboy still needs more time to funnel $$ overseas into various "secret"accounts. :D

Got any proof of that statement? ....

He flauted the law to get the $96 mil USD he stands to lose. It seems reasonable to me to presume he would do the same to keep it. Just what limits would you expect someone to adhere to who already has demonstrated such a flexible (and fungible) moral code, especially since he repeatedly has made it abundantly clear he feels he is being persecuted unfairly.

Besides, wouldn't you be? "Secret offshore accounts" might be a mild exaggeration but if the million$ at risk were yours, wouldn't you be considering extreme measures to preserve your capital? I'd think you'd have to be daft not to.


The value he stands to lose potentially is tripled, thus he is not losing a direct amount. Besides this is punitive not an actual equated loss from USPS.
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Re: Re:

25 Sep 2017 17:08

StyrbjornSterki wrote:Besides, wouldn't you be?
Ah, the Clinic. Judging everyone bad by your own standards. I've long thought this was the dominant attitude among several around here, nice to see one owning it.
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Re: Re:

25 Sep 2017 17:11

fmk_RoI wrote:
yaco wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:
yaco wrote:I still wonder how out of the myriad of companies that sponsored cycling teams who had systematic doping programs only US Postal suffered brand damage - Continue lighting the flame.
It's not USPS's case. How hard is this to understand? Flandis is using a law that is supposed to protect tax dollars.


I fully understand that is US Postal is a Government agency - Other teams have been sponsored by Government agencies and nil has happened.
Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.
Hoggie and Swanny appear to have saved you the need yaco, and come to the conclusion that other jurisdictions simply don't offer the same incentive - reward - the US does. Yay for teamwork.
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Re: Re:

25 Sep 2017 17:39

fmk_RoI wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:
yaco wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:
yaco wrote:I still wonder how out of the myriad of companies that sponsored cycling teams who had systematic doping programs only US Postal suffered brand damage - Continue lighting the flame.
It's not USPS's case. How hard is this to understand? Flandis is using a law that is supposed to protect tax dollars.


I fully understand that is US Postal is a Government agency - Other teams have been sponsored by Government agencies and nil has happened.
Name them, and cite the relevant basis for legal challenges for those in other jurisdictions.
Hoggie and Swanny appear to have saved you the need yaco, and come to the conclusion that other jurisdictions simply don't offer the same incentive - reward - the US does. Yay for teamwork.


So in effect the US Government is potentially rewarding a person who willinggly participated in this alleged fraud - What a great system !

Anyone let US Postal prove their brand has been damaged.
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Re: Re:

25 Sep 2017 18:03

yaco wrote:So in effect the US Government is potentially rewarding a person who willinggly participated in this alleged fraud - What a great system !
It's the opposite of double indemnity, I guess: double bubble - he wins from the fraud, he wins from exposing the fraud. USPS, meanwhile, endure reputational damage, legal costs and time and effort lost to a distraction they don't really care about.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

25 Sep 2017 19:08

The system is sound. It’s a very important part of US law, treble damages, particularly in areas where it’s a single claimant against a corporation. There has to be a significant deterrent. Patent law for the most part comes with treble damages so as corporations think twice before stealing a protected product from a single owner. There also has to be incentive for a claimant to take a challenge to a corporation. Whistleblowing makes perfect sense to receive treble damages, layman employees vs investment bank being a good example. It’s one area where US law has weighted itself for the common man, embrace it.
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25 Sep 2017 23:17

fmk_RoI wrote:
StyrbjornSterki wrote:Besides, wouldn't you be?
Ah, the Clinic. Judging everyone bad by your own standards. I've long thought this was the dominant attitude among several around here, nice to see one owning it.

King Boonen wrote:...[I]f a post or a part of a post appears to be designed only to aggravate a section of the membership then we will take it as trolling....

I'm not accusing, I'm just asking... ...mods? ...Bueller? ...anybody?
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