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05 Nov 2018 13:17

I just want "Sir Brad" to blow it up! Do the right thing Brad!
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05 Nov 2018 13:43

Angliru wrote:


...and all the Sky cult are humming "La, la, la, la, la. I can't hear you!!
La, la, la, la, la." All while covering etheir eyes.


It won’t be much longer now.

PK and FL will soon saddle up and fade into the sunset ... following the wind blown tracks of DW, TT, TH, GL, BA and RR.

Oh, glory days.
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05 Nov 2018 14:30

ontheroad wrote:It says something about the stupidity of Wiggins that he has released another book and put Armstrong et al up on a pedestal.
Of all the cycling books published in the UK in the last decade, I think only one made it into the real best seller's list: Wiggins's third volume of autobiographies. So to suggest that this seventh volume is in some way stupid, well, I'm sorry, but the bottom line laughs that comment off the stage.
ontheroad wrote:He is now a hypocrite of the highest degree, by lauding so many dopers.
My bookshelves are full of authors lauding dopers. Who doesn't love Coppi, who doesn't love Anquetil? Are we to air-brush from the history of the sport Pélissier? Are we to air-brush from the sport Géminiani? Are we who grew up watching the sport in the eighties, in the nineties, in the noughties, to forget what we saw and instead try and imagine some prelapsarian world with no doping?

Wiggins's problem does not appear to be 'lauding' dopers - it is not explaining how this fits with his past statements.
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06 Nov 2018 15:19

Wiggins on Armstrong:
Legend has it that Henri Desgrange, the ‘Father of the Tour’, envisaged a ‘perfect winner’. He was of the idea that the ideal Tour de France would have one finisher, a type of super-athlete who would not only defeat his opponents, but also whatever nature might throw at him.

It was an extreme version of cycling, and a very French one. It also explains why Tour de France winners tended to be masochistic, obsessive and, on occasion, borderline sociopathic.
In the same way Wiggins has in interviews since the book launch said that Armstrong is not an icon, but is iconic (despite his inclusion in a book called 'Icons') some want to get all Jesuitical on this and argue that Wiggins doesn't say that Armstrong was that 'perfect winner' his version of the myth Desgrange is supposed to have believed in says he is.

What Wiggns actually says of Armstrong is this:
He was the archetypal Tour de France cyclist, and he was precisely the sort of winner Desgrange had in mind 120 years ago.
Is that opinion valid? Not, Peter Cossins would say, if you rely on the myth of the ideal Tour:
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But looking at Desgrange in reality, not with myths, I think you could support the opinion that he would have approved of Armstrong, when he was winning. Desgrange was nothing if not a pragmatist. But, once Armstrong fell from grace and disgraced the Tour, Desgrange would not have approved of the Texan. And Desgrange's history with riders who brought disgrace on the Tour supports that opinion.

Does this invalidate Armstrong's inclusion in Wiggins's book? No. He was and is an icon, a representative symbol both of the sport in general and Gen-EPO in particular.

So what is the problem? It is that Wiggins wants to claim 'Icons' is written from the perspective of a 13-year-old kid from Kilburn and that kid knew naught of the dark side of the sport. That 13-year-old kid from Kilburn is not the man who denounced dopers whenever the British media invited a comment, nor is that 13-year-old kid from Kilburn now besties with the cream of Gen-EPO.

Read 'Icons' though and you will see Wiggins happily letting other parts of that 13-year-old kid from Kilburn's future intrude on the story. But not the evolution of his views on doping. And that disingenious gambit is what makes Wiggins a hypocritcal little ****. But, having read his six other volumes of autobiography, we didn't need this seventh volume to know that.
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06 Nov 2018 20:31

Rob Hurd has been telling people about his days in pro cycling

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/features/cycling/features/10546986.inside-the-world-of-pro-cycling/

Been telling stuff about Wigans. ;)
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07 Nov 2018 06:32

Benotti69 wrote:Rob Hurd has been telling people about his days in pro cycling

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/features/cycling/features/10546986.inside-the-world-of-pro-cycling/

Been telling stuff about Wigans. ;)

Good article but no mention of Wiggo,
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07 Nov 2018 09:30

A 5 year old article from a rider who retired in 2001 the year Wiggins began his pro career talking about riders injected corticosteroids to race Grand Prix Cholet-Pays de la Loire? Not even sure Wiggins raced it in 2005 with C.A.?
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07 Nov 2018 09:52

samhocking wrote:A 5 year old article from a rider who retired in 2001 the year Wiggins began his pro career talking about riders injected corticosteroids to race Grand Prix Cholet-Pays de la Loire? Not even sure Wiggins raced it in 2005 with C.A.?


are we not putting 2 and 2 together?

"Another time he recalls being “angry” when approached by a British cycling manager who wanted his charge introduced to a “good” doctor in Belgium."
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07 Nov 2018 10:19

Didn't sound like they were injecting under a TUE if all lined up in a classroom in one team, so no. Riders were injected for most races then because there was no testing.
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07 Nov 2018 10:33

gillan1969 wrote:
samhocking wrote:A 5 year old article from a rider who retired in 2001 the year Wiggins began his pro career talking about riders injected corticosteroids to race Grand Prix Cholet-Pays de la Loire? Not even sure Wiggins raced it in 2005 with C.A.?


are we not putting 2 and 2 together?

"Another time he recalls being “angry” when approached by a British cycling manager who wanted his charge introduced to a “good” doctor in Belgium."


Despite the suspiciones like yourself slappin the old abacasus till all hours ... ya can't make your sum stick. :lol:
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07 Nov 2018 10:58

To me, the article relates as much to Dr Chris Mertens and Van Avermaet's taking Diprophos (Corticosteroid) under TUE / Vaminolact Masking agents as it does to Wiggins TUE for Triamcinolone under Hargreaves for allergies. I don't see any link with evidence of anything to either rider. We already know corticosteroids were used like this, not sure what this adds to that.
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07 Nov 2018 13:54

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/05/bradley-wiggins-cycling-doping-tour-de-france-team-sky
...It nearly killed my wife [Cath]. She ended up in rehab over it. I’m at home having to deal with it. Because she’s bi-polar she has this fear of shame,...

"fear of shame"? Pro-cycling then is not the world for you.
"Are you going to believe me or what you see with your own eyes?"

“It doesn’t matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”
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07 Nov 2018 14:48

Robert5091 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/05/bradley-wiggins-cycling-doping-tour-de-france-team-sky
...It nearly killed my wife [Cath]. She ended up in rehab over it. I’m at home having to deal with it. Because she’s bi-polar she has this fear of shame,...

"fear of shame"? Pro-cycling then is not the world for you.
Given the news coming out of Australia, today of all days you really should not be mocking people's mental health problems. Show some humanity.
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07 Nov 2018 17:28

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07 Nov 2018 19:23

samhocking wrote:https://www.facebook.com/rouleur.magazine/videos/574617496307004/
And the Clinic value of this is ... what?
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07 Nov 2018 21:08

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07 Nov 2018 21:18



Mountain goat Wiggo and Alien Dawg show. Let's not forget Mick Dodger and LRP, 500 watts go go go.
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07 Nov 2018 21:28

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Mountain goat Wiggo and Alien Dawg show. Let's not forget Mick Dodger and LRP, 500 watts go go go.


And « the only Aussie with a Ferrari engine » blowing a gasket @750w when Dawg attacked on the 20% section :rolleyes:
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08 Nov 2018 04:59

fmk_RoI wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/05/bradley-wiggins-cycling-doping-tour-de-france-team-sky
...It nearly killed my wife [Cath]. She ended up in rehab over it. I’m at home having to deal with it. Because she’s bi-polar she has this fear of shame,...

"fear of shame"? Pro-cycling then is not the world for you.
Given the news coming out of Australia, today of all days you really should not be mocking people's mental health problems. Show some humanity.


Really?
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08 Nov 2018 10:08

fmk_RoI wrote:
samhocking wrote:https://www.facebook.com/rouleur.magazine/videos/574617496307004/
And the Clinic value of this is ... what?

It's the clinic. Mostly the part about the jiffy bag perhaps?
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