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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

10 Dec 2018 02:54

Can't wait for the first time Sir Brad dupes his radio
audience with one of his many impersonations! :lol:
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10 Dec 2018 08:18

Perfect for radio. I hope he's right and Matt Lawton is gonna get taken down a level. Why would the ex boss of Daily Fail during Jiff Gate, resign, then give Wiggins his own TalkSport Radio show? There is no way Wiggins would work with him as his boss, given his comments of the paper recently.
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10 Dec 2018 11:38

Talksport have been trying to shoehorn Sir Wiggo into their schedule for a few months but so far he's been anything but "Perfect for radio". They tried him on sunday mornings together with the two regular presenters with very funny results (although probably not in the way they were intending). Think it lasted two weeks and since been replaced with Darren Campbell. There's still hope though as history says it's 50:50 he can go from laughing stock to world beater within a year
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

10 Dec 2018 12:52

Well Lee Clayton resigned as Matt Lawton's boss at Daily Mail to take the TalkSport Chief position since September it seems? Just interesting that Wiggins is claiming Lee Clayton knows Matt Lawton was not truthful/no corroborated and its going to Court? I also find it odd that Wiggins would accept a job from the ex head of Daily Mail Sport given his hatred for Daily Mail and of course it was Matt Lawton under Lee Clayton who broke the story. Something is going on that's for sure. Wiggins will host a TalkSport show that begins in January he says?
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10 Dec 2018 13:16

Anyone see Daniel Benson's Tweet yesterday about the Mars bars? It's like Marianne Faithfull all over again. Except this time there was fifteen of them.
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

10 Dec 2018 15:34

Wasn't that just the Ryan Gosling copy and paste? Poor Benson, he screwed up lol!
https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/2dno8e/i_saw_ryan_gosling_at_a_grocery_store/
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

10 Dec 2018 19:15

samhocking wrote:Wasn't that just the Ryan Gosling copy and paste? Poor Benson, he screwed up lol!
https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/2dno8e/i_saw_ryan_gosling_at_a_grocery_store/

It's not like our Danny had much journalistic credibility to lose or anything, but it does give one an
insight into the quality of his secret sources in the cycling world and his rigorous fact checking. :)
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10 Dec 2018 19:57

Why would you assume he took the comment seriously?
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10 Dec 2018 20:10

hrotha wrote:Why would you assume he took the comment seriously?

Why would a journalist wanting to viewed as credible post a joke story? (and praise it at that)
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10 Dec 2018 20:19

Because it's Twitter and he posts/RTs jokes all the time?
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10 Dec 2018 20:26

hrotha wrote:Because it's Twitter and he posts/RTs jokes all the time?

No he doesn't. All his posts on cycling are serious. It's not even a joke. It's just a crap celebrity anecdote.
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10 Dec 2018 23:23

Parker wrote:
hrotha wrote:Why would you assume he took the comment seriously?

Why would a journalist wanting to viewed as credible post a joke story? (and praise it at that)


One would think that credibility is measured by the articles that he writes and not the things he may or may not find amusing.

Currently it seems

posting cat memes = still credible journalist

chuckling at a comment about Wiggins = hack, take it down, grrr :mad:
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

19 Dec 2018 13:43

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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

20 Dec 2018 08:55

Wiggo lives in a fantasy fairy-land of his own imagination. It's so well crafted that even other people like Sam choose to inhabit it too.

The truth of the jiffy bag containing an illicit substance, be it triamcinolone or something else, and irrespective of the nature of the source/s and any agendas they may have had, is well and truly established by two facts:

1) Brailsford's outrageous lies when he became aware of the allegation. Why would be try and wave it away with such ridiculous fibs if there was nothing to cover up?

2) The breakdown of Richard Freeman. Why would be get so stressed and shy if he had nothing to hide?

There are others too, but these two alone render it certain beyond any shadow of a doubt. Wiggins was doping. He can make whatever fevered, half-baked claims he likes, doesn't change what every sensible person knows he did.
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20 Dec 2018 17:27

I'm not an advocate of the argument that if Freeman had nothing to hide why did he have a breakdown. Plenty of people with nothing to hide have breakdowns. You know nothing about Freeman's mental state prior to the furore.

But....I think it's pretty clear that Wiggins toes did not stay on the right side of the ethical line, and it wouldn't take a huge leap of faith to think that his entire body was nowhere near it.

It was business as usual. For it not to be so would require Wiggins to be an exception, an outlier. I struggle to regard him as such.
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

20 Dec 2018 19:12

We know nothing of Freeman's mental state during the furore either. There is no proof that he actually did suffer from any mental health condition or episode.

The point isn't whether or not he actually had a real breakdown, but rather that he completely dodged having to give an explanation, and having to respond to questioning. Everything about his conduct surrounding the incident stinks to high heaven - the hiding, the alleged shocking lack of record-keeping, the stolen laptop,the errant scripts, the writing of a book despite being unable to answer some simple questions in person, etc. These are not the actions or explanations of an innocent doc working solely on the straight and narrow, or a man determined to defend his good name.

Either Freeman was grossly negligent and then embarrassed by this, yet still somehow capable of leading the medical team for multiple Tour winners, or he was doping his riders. I know which explanation makes far more sense to me.
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

20 Dec 2018 19:52

Mamil wrote:The point isn't whether or not he actually had a real breakdown, but rather that he completely dodged having to give an explanation, and having to respond to questioning.
Except, of course, that Freeman did provide evidence and was interviewed. But why let facts get in the way of your imagination.
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20 Dec 2018 22:42

Anything about Fran Millar goes in The Clinic.
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

21 Dec 2018 01:31

Interviewed by whom? The BBC doesn't count. Who in a position of authority was able to interview him?

The stuff in his written statement was mostly junk.
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Re: Wiggins, Clinic respect?

21 Dec 2018 13:00

Freeman answered DCMS's written questions. Obviously he couldn't be cross-examined on TV, but he did provide 9 pages of answers to their questions a little bit later. As for the breakdown, my understanding is the pressure he was under by UKAD & GMC to not say anything, but the media pressure to speak out about it made it very difficult.

The most interesting thing in Wiggins HLN Interview, is Lee Clayton resigned as Matt Lawton's boss shortly after DCMS published the document. Clayton now is boss of TalkSport radio and has given Wiggins his own show for 2019 as his boss essentially. In the interview Wiggins also says Daily Mail are in Court and big trouble over the jiffy bag story and that is why Lee Clayton resigned becauswe Wiggins claims he knows the sh1t storm Lawton is now in and he wanted to get out. ie he paid the whistleblower to say Triamcinolone, even though he had opposite statements from other witnesses, one of which was about the whistelblower that Lawton wouldn't run with instead for the main story.
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