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08 Mar 2015 12:07

the sceptic wrote:have you ever watched a race and thought to yourself "wow, this guy looks he is on something"?


Of course, plenty of times. Boonen P-R win in what was in, 2012 when he soloed from 50k out, it was jaw-dropping. But I'm just cut from different cloth from you, I don't know enough to pass judgement of people on situations where we only have fragments of information about and the rest is assumptions and guesswork. It's not enough for me to condemn them out of hand as dopers. I just try to observe and see where this merry little dance leads us.
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08 Mar 2015 16:45

blackcat wrote:Gerro is about 34 or 35, and he may not have got quicker, but he has developed the endurance to be able to use his speed.


OT: Gerrans is a nice example of a sprinter who "transformed"to a classic rider, where he is indeed mega-fast compared to others. And yeah, transforming is a loaded word here, but this is actually as old as cycling itself. Even pre-epo this was something which was not exactly common, but every generation had it's examples (Jansen, Kelly, etc).

Sprinting is a funny thing in cycling. There's no other sport where you need to be explosive after 6 hours :D

But this is way beyond the subject at hand.
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09 Mar 2015 08:56

Franklin wrote:OT: Gerrans is a nice example of a sprinter who "transformed"to a classic rider, where he is indeed mega-fast compared to others. And yeah, transforming is a loaded word here, but this is actually as old as cycling itself. Even pre-epo this was something which was not exactly common, but every generation had it's examples (Jansen, Kelly, etc).

Sprinting is a funny thing in cycling. There's no other sport where you need to be explosive after 6 hours :D

But this is way beyond the subject at hand.

never really was a sprinter.

in about 2004 in Dauphine or tdSuisse for AG2R, he outclimbed Rasmussen in the hors stage when they were off the front in a break group.

he is more like a puncheur, someone like Titi Voeckler, or Philippe Gilbert. Not as talented as Gilbert, p'raps not the GC ability of Voeckler, but an equivalent puncheur that Voeckler is.

He has won TdU twice or three times, won Herald Sun Tour once or twice.

But he is damn fast if the group has to jump from a low speed, but could not compete with the field sprinters, or bunch sprinters, when they need to put out over 1000watts in the km coming in, which is tough for a small guy. He can compete if it is going up hill, and jumping from 45 or 50km ph. But not at 60kmph and going faster in the sprint.
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21 Mar 2015 17:43

Top 4 places and CIRC think doping is not a team wide program

http://www.procyclingstats.com/mob/race.php?id=150125

Why is Ibauguren not being investigated by UCI?
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22 Mar 2015 15:33

Watching MSR and just shaking my head.
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22 Mar 2015 15:54

Well, that's one way to loose your best assets, riding into the wall.
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22 Mar 2015 19:02

Seriously folks, stop calling him Taus. His name is Ibarguren.
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22 Mar 2015 22:45

UCI took interest in their bikes today.

https://twitter.com/gregorbrown/status/ ... 1217844224
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22 Mar 2015 23:02

Certainly to do with The Clinic
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23 Mar 2015 02:39

Benotti69 wrote:Top 4 places and CIRC think doping is not a team wide program

http://www.procyclingstats.com/mob/race.php?id=150125

Why is Ibauguren not being investigated by UCI?

How come it is the only team having 3-4 riders in the finale for the last 3-4 years in most of the cobbled races?
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23 Mar 2015 16:08

neineinei wrote:UCI took interest in their bikes today.

https://twitter.com/gregorbrown/status/ ... 1217844224


My first guess is they are looking for rules violations. Starting the race with the bike at minimum weight and finishing below. That kind of thing. The book is *full* of equipment rules, so plenty of opportunities for infractions.

Maybe they are mad at Lefevre?
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23 Mar 2015 16:11

IndianCyclist wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:Top 4 places and CIRC think doping is not a team wide program

http://www.procyclingstats.com/mob/race.php?id=150125

Why is Ibauguren not being investigated by UCI?

How come it is the only team having 3-4 riders in the finale for the last 3-4 years in most of the cobbled races?


It's not been 3-4 years. More like 30 years. The classics is what Patrick does, has done, and organizes his team around every year.
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22 Apr 2015 15:26

Out of nowhere, Alaphillippe comes in 2nd in his very first Fleche Wallonne, just behind Piti. This team never fails to disappoint.
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22 Apr 2015 15:51

classicomano wrote:Out of nowhere, Alaphillippe comes in 2nd in his very first Fleche Wallonne, just behind Piti. This team never fails to disappoint.


New clean era and a young talent like Allaphilippe can come to the surface,why are you surprised?
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22 Apr 2015 16:19

Alaphilippe first of the clean riders!
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22 Apr 2015 16:55

DBotero wrote:
classicomano wrote:Out of nowhere, Alaphillippe comes in 2nd in his very first Fleche Wallonne, just behind Piti. This team never fails to disappoint.


New clean era and a young talent like Allaphilippe can come to the surface,why are you surprised?



Must be all the new testing Cooskon introduced and made independent.....oh wait......SSDD.
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22 Apr 2015 18:03

Yikes, never even heard of Alaphilippe, I guess because he was riding in camouflage until three years ago...
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23 Apr 2015 14:01

Well every rider has to come out of "nowhere" at some point in time ...
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24 Apr 2015 03:16

Out of interest, when was the last time a Quickstep rider tested positive?
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24 Apr 2015 07:59

been cleaning up for a long time............move along nothing to see here...........

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