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Re: Brits don't dope?

23 Mar 2017 11:38

BullsFan22 wrote:http://www.bbc.com/sport/39350734


UKADs blog/presser
https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/british-wrestler-chinu-sandhu-banned-for-four-years/

Stanozolol metabolites. Old School.

Full decision is here:
https://cleansportblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/170227_ukad_v_sandhu_418.pdf

Lengthy arguments over the contaminated supplement argument. Some good paragraphs stating clearly what must be shown in legal terms for this argument to even have the start of some merit.
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27 Mar 2017 07:20

https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/amateur-cyclist-receives-two-year-ban-for-glucocorticoids/
Michael Ellerton, a 55-year-old amateur cyclist from Burnley, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV).

Ellerton, who was previously registered with Team Swift, tested positive for the glucocorticoids prednisone and prednisolone, following an in-competition test at the Port Talbot Wheelers Cycling Club’s annual 25 Mile Time Trial on 11 September 2016.

Glucocorticoids are currently prohibited in-competition, when administered by a systemic route of administration (orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly). However, glucocorticoids are permitted out-of-competition regardless of the route of administration.

Ellerton contested that the finding came as a result of taking medication for mouth ulcers in the lead up to the race. Given the level at which the rider was competing, he retroactively applied to UKAD for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE). However, the application was subsequently rejected by the TUE Committee.

UKAD is satisfied that Ellerton did not act intentionally, according to the Anti-Doping Rules, and that the prohibited substances were used out-of-competition in a context unrelated to sport performance. As a result, a two-year period of ineligibility has been imposed.
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27 Mar 2017 07:52

Robert5091 wrote:https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/amateur-cyclist-receives-two-year-ban-for-glucocorticoids/
Michael Ellerton, a 55-year-old amateur cyclist from Burnley, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV).

Ellerton, who was previously registered with Team Swift, tested positive for the glucocorticoids prednisone and prednisolone, following an in-competition test at the Port Talbot Wheelers Cycling Club’s annual 25 Mile Time Trial on 11 September 2016.

Glucocorticoids are currently prohibited in-competition, when administered by a systemic route of administration (orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly). However, glucocorticoids are permitted out-of-competition regardless of the route of administration.

Ellerton contested that the finding came as a result of taking medication for mouth ulcers in the lead up to the race. Given the level at which the rider was competing, he retroactively applied to UKAD for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE). However, the application was subsequently rejected by the TUE Committee.

UKAD is satisfied that Ellerton did not act intentionally, according to the Anti-Doping Rules, and that the prohibited substances were used out-of-competition in a context unrelated to sport performance. As a result, a two-year period of ineligibility has been imposed.


That's funny, and bizarre... in-competition testing at the Port Tarbot Wheelers annual 25 TT. WTF!
And his use was unrelated to sport performance, but he's still banned! It's fish-and-chippers racing for gords sake.
Very silly stuff.
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27 Mar 2017 09:10

Dan2016 wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/amateur-cyclist-receives-two-year-ban-for-glucocorticoids/
Michael Ellerton, a 55-year-old amateur cyclist from Burnley, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV).

Ellerton, who was previously registered with Team Swift, tested positive for the glucocorticoids prednisone and prednisolone, following an in-competition test at the Port Talbot Wheelers Cycling Club’s annual 25 Mile Time Trial on 11 September 2016.

Glucocorticoids are currently prohibited in-competition, when administered by a systemic route of administration (orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly). However, glucocorticoids are permitted out-of-competition regardless of the route of administration.

Ellerton contested that the finding came as a result of taking medication for mouth ulcers in the lead up to the race. Given the level at which the rider was competing, he retroactively applied to UKAD for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE). However, the application was subsequently rejected by the TUE Committee.

UKAD is satisfied that Ellerton did not act intentionally, according to the Anti-Doping Rules, and that the prohibited substances were used out-of-competition in a context unrelated to sport performance. As a result, a two-year period of ineligibility has been imposed.


That's funny, and bizarre... in-competition testing at the Port Tarbot Wheelers annual 25 TT. WTF!
And his use was unrelated to sport performance, but he's still banned! It's fish-and-chippers racing for gords sake.
Very silly stuff.


The bolded bit - very silly stuff! UKAD just bottled it as usual. Fella shoulda got 4 years

Taking prednisone and prednisolone for mouth ulcers is like taking Kenalog to prevent allergies - sledgehammer to crack a nut. And this eejit Ellerton borrowed it from a mate, apparently. Just after he extracted his homework from the dog
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27 Mar 2017 11:41

Wiggo's Package wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/amateur-cyclist-receives-two-year-ban-for-glucocorticoids/
Michael Ellerton, a 55-year-old amateur cyclist from Burnley, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV).

Ellerton, who was previously registered with Team Swift, tested positive for the glucocorticoids prednisone and prednisolone, following an in-competition test at the Port Talbot Wheelers Cycling Club’s annual 25 Mile Time Trial on 11 September 2016.

Glucocorticoids are currently prohibited in-competition, when administered by a systemic route of administration (orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly). However, glucocorticoids are permitted out-of-competition regardless of the route of administration.

Ellerton contested that the finding came as a result of taking medication for mouth ulcers in the lead up to the race. Given the level at which the rider was competing, he retroactively applied to UKAD for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE). However, the application was subsequently rejected by the TUE Committee.

UKAD is satisfied that Ellerton did not act intentionally, according to the Anti-Doping Rules, and that the prohibited substances were used out-of-competition in a context unrelated to sport performance. As a result, a two-year period of ineligibility has been imposed.


That's funny, and bizarre... in-competition testing at the Port Tarbot Wheelers annual 25 TT. WTF!
And his use was unrelated to sport performance, but he's still banned! It's fish-and-chippers racing for gords sake.
Very silly stuff.


The bolded bit - very silly stuff! UKAD just bottled it as usual. Fella shoulda got 4 years

Taking prednisone and prednisolone for mouth ulcers is like taking Kenalog to prevent allergies - sledgehammer to crack a nut. And this eejit Ellerton borrowed it from a mate, apparently. Just after he extracted his homework from the dog


Thats what got me - if he'd had a proper prescription they might have been more inclined to believe him.

As a side point his friend in theory could get in to trouble for doing that, and also not now have enough pred to wean him/herself off properly.
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Re: Re:

27 Mar 2017 11:42

Wiggo's Package wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/amateur-cyclist-receives-two-year-ban-for-glucocorticoids/
Michael Ellerton, a 55-year-old amateur cyclist from Burnley, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV).

Ellerton, who was previously registered with Team Swift, tested positive for the glucocorticoids prednisone and prednisolone, following an in-competition test at the Port Talbot Wheelers Cycling Club’s annual 25 Mile Time Trial on 11 September 2016.

Glucocorticoids are currently prohibited in-competition, when administered by a systemic route of administration (orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly). However, glucocorticoids are permitted out-of-competition regardless of the route of administration.

Ellerton contested that the finding came as a result of taking medication for mouth ulcers in the lead up to the race. Given the level at which the rider was competing, he retroactively applied to UKAD for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE). However, the application was subsequently rejected by the TUE Committee.

UKAD is satisfied that Ellerton did not act intentionally, according to the Anti-Doping Rules, and that the prohibited substances were used out-of-competition in a context unrelated to sport performance. As a result, a two-year period of ineligibility has been imposed.


That's funny, and bizarre... in-competition testing at the Port Tarbot Wheelers annual 25 TT. WTF!
And his use was unrelated to sport performance, but he's still banned! It's fish-and-chippers racing for gords sake.
Very silly stuff.


The bolded bit - very silly stuff! UKAD just bottled it as usual. Fella shoulda got 4 years

Taking prednisone and prednisolone for mouth ulcers is like taking Kenalog to prevent allergies - sledgehammer to crack a nut. And this eejit Ellerton borrowed it from a mate, apparently. Just after he extracted his homework from the dog


Maybe, maybe not. Prednisone is certainly commonly used for mouth ulcers...google just told me that with a 2 sec look. Maybe you know the full details of the case, but without that, none of us can know whether he needed it or not. And Kenalog is/was often used very effectively for seasonal allergies too. Not as sledgehammery as it appears.
It just seemed bizarre to me that a rider gets a 2 year ban from a Port Talbot Wheelers 25 TT. It's about as fish-and-chipper as you can get. I wouldn't care less if I saw riders popping speed on the start line in an event like that.
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Re: Re:

27 Mar 2017 12:13

Dan2016 wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/amateur-cyclist-receives-two-year-ban-for-glucocorticoids/
Michael Ellerton, a 55-year-old amateur cyclist from Burnley, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV).

Ellerton, who was previously registered with Team Swift, tested positive for the glucocorticoids prednisone and prednisolone, following an in-competition test at the Port Talbot Wheelers Cycling Club’s annual 25 Mile Time Trial on 11 September 2016.

Glucocorticoids are currently prohibited in-competition, when administered by a systemic route of administration (orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly). However, glucocorticoids are permitted out-of-competition regardless of the route of administration.

Ellerton contested that the finding came as a result of taking medication for mouth ulcers in the lead up to the race. Given the level at which the rider was competing, he retroactively applied to UKAD for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE). However, the application was subsequently rejected by the TUE Committee.

UKAD is satisfied that Ellerton did not act intentionally, according to the Anti-Doping Rules, and that the prohibited substances were used out-of-competition in a context unrelated to sport performance. As a result, a two-year period of ineligibility has been imposed.


That's funny, and bizarre... in-competition testing at the Port Tarbot Wheelers annual 25 TT. WTF!
And his use was unrelated to sport performance, but he's still banned! It's fish-and-chippers racing for gords sake.
Very silly stuff.


The bolded bit - very silly stuff! UKAD just bottled it as usual. Fella shoulda got 4 years

Taking prednisone and prednisolone for mouth ulcers is like taking Kenalog to prevent allergies - sledgehammer to crack a nut. And this eejit Ellerton borrowed it from a mate, apparently. Just after he extracted his homework from the dog


Maybe, maybe not. Prednisone is certainly commonly used for mouth ulcers...google just told me that with a 2 sec look. Maybe you know the full details of the case, but without that, none of us can know whether he needed it or not. And Kenalog is/was often used very effectively for seasonal allergies too. Not as sledgehammery as it appears.
It just seemed bizarre to me that a rider gets a 2 year ban from a Port Talbot Wheelers 25 TT. It's about as fish-and-chipper as you can get. I wouldn't care less if I saw riders popping speed on the start line in an event like that.


Did you know that Ellerton was tested as a result of a tip off?

UKAD knew that but gave him 2 years instead of 4 due to lack of "intention" :rolleyes:
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Re: Re:

27 Mar 2017 13:19

Wiggo's Package wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:https://cleansportblog.wordpress.com/2017/03/22/amateur-cyclist-receives-two-year-ban-for-glucocorticoids/
Michael Ellerton, a 55-year-old amateur cyclist from Burnley, has been suspended from all sport for two years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV).

Ellerton, who was previously registered with Team Swift, tested positive for the glucocorticoids prednisone and prednisolone, following an in-competition test at the Port Talbot Wheelers Cycling Club’s annual 25 Mile Time Trial on 11 September 2016.

Glucocorticoids are currently prohibited in-competition, when administered by a systemic route of administration (orally, rectally, intravenously or intramuscularly). However, glucocorticoids are permitted out-of-competition regardless of the route of administration.

Ellerton contested that the finding came as a result of taking medication for mouth ulcers in the lead up to the race. Given the level at which the rider was competing, he retroactively applied to UKAD for a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE). However, the application was subsequently rejected by the TUE Committee.

UKAD is satisfied that Ellerton did not act intentionally, according to the Anti-Doping Rules, and that the prohibited substances were used out-of-competition in a context unrelated to sport performance. As a result, a two-year period of ineligibility has been imposed.


That's funny, and bizarre... in-competition testing at the Port Tarbot Wheelers annual 25 TT. WTF!
And his use was unrelated to sport performance, but he's still banned! It's fish-and-chippers racing for gords sake.
Very silly stuff.


The bolded bit - very silly stuff! UKAD just bottled it as usual. Fella shoulda got 4 years

Taking prednisone and prednisolone for mouth ulcers is like taking Kenalog to prevent allergies - sledgehammer to crack a nut. And this eejit Ellerton borrowed it from a mate, apparently. Just after he extracted his homework from the dog


Maybe, maybe not. Prednisone is certainly commonly used for mouth ulcers...google just told me that with a 2 sec look. Maybe you know the full details of the case, but without that, none of us can know whether he needed it or not. And Kenalog is/was often used very effectively for seasonal allergies too. Not as sledgehammery as it appears.
It just seemed bizarre to me that a rider gets a 2 year ban from a Port Talbot Wheelers 25 TT. It's about as fish-and-chipper as you can get. I wouldn't care less if I saw riders popping speed on the start line in an event like that.


Did you know that Ellerton was tested as a result of a tip off?

UKAD knew that but gave him 2 years instead of 4 due to lack of "intention" :rolleyes:


A tip off? Ooh Intrigue. Was it like a jilted lover stabbing him in the back sorta thing? A Port Talbot Wheelers revenge tragedy?

4 years would be way over the top though. Any ban is over the top IMO. It's just minor league TT's. What about some novel punishment instead? Make him race wearing floral skirts and bowler hats or something?

Minor infringements for minor riders are taken a little too seriously I think...
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27 Mar 2017 18:23

So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....
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27 Mar 2017 21:27

Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


More a case of UKAD fiddling while Rome burns (or Manchester (Kil)burns?). Great news now that UKAD has rid the professional ranks of doping that it has resources to spare to chase down masters.
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28 Mar 2017 09:19

Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


Banishings don't achieve anything, other than for appearances only. So why not be novel instead?
Get rid of Strict Liability banishings. Get rid of all banishings. My floral dress and bowler hat punishment was obviously facetious but you could do something in that spirit, like stop him using tri-bars, not officially register his time etc. Either way, it's socially inclusive punishment. The pariah thing is unnecessary. Let the guy continue racing if he wants to, at that level it's a social thing more than anything.
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28 Mar 2017 12:38

Dan2016 wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


Banishings don't achieve anything, other than for appearances only. So why not be novel instead?
Get rid of Strict Liability banishings. Get rid of all banishings. My floral dress and bowler hat punishment was obviously facetious but you could do something in that spirit, like stop him using tri-bars, not officially register his time etc. Either way, it's socially inclusive punishment. The pariah thing is unnecessary. Let the guy continue racing if he wants to, at that level it's a social thing more than anything.


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28 Mar 2017 14:33

blackcat wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


Banishings don't achieve anything, other than for appearances only. So why not be novel instead?
Get rid of Strict Liability banishings. Get rid of all banishings. My floral dress and bowler hat punishment was obviously facetious but you could do something in that spirit, like stop him using tri-bars, not officially register his time etc. Either way, it's socially inclusive punishment. The pariah thing is unnecessary. Let the guy continue racing if he wants to, at that level it's a social thing more than anything.


can you google translate English > Clockwork Orange?


Yarbles?

Pretty polly pretty polly
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Re: Re:

28 Mar 2017 15:43

Dan2016 wrote:
blackcat wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


Banishings don't achieve anything, other than for appearances only. So why not be novel instead?
Get rid of Strict Liability banishings. Get rid of all banishings. My floral dress and bowler hat punishment was obviously facetious but you could do something in that spirit, like stop him using tri-bars, not officially register his time etc. Either way, it's socially inclusive punishment. The pariah thing is unnecessary. Let the guy continue racing if he wants to, at that level it's a social thing more than anything.


can you google translate English > Clockwork Orange?


Yarbles?

Pretty polly pretty polly
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(I've no idea what you're on about blackcat :D A cryptic reference to rehab hypocrisy I'm guessing?)

Only a privileged few truly understand the teachings of la pussie noir, apparently you're not one of them (for that matter neither am I). :)
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28 Mar 2017 17:14

Reconditioning and control. And the bowler.
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28 Mar 2017 17:31

Irondan wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
blackcat wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


Banishings don't achieve anything, other than for appearances only. So why not be novel instead?
Get rid of Strict Liability banishings. Get rid of all banishings. My floral dress and bowler hat punishment was obviously facetious but you could do something in that spirit, like stop him using tri-bars, not officially register his time etc. Either way, it's socially inclusive punishment. The pariah thing is unnecessary. Let the guy continue racing if he wants to, at that level it's a social thing more than anything.


can you google translate English > Clockwork Orange?


Yarbles?

Pretty polly pretty polly
Babooshcka Lizzy

(I've no idea what you're on about blackcat :D A cryptic reference to rehab hypocrisy I'm guessing?)

Only a privileged few truly understand the teachings of la pussie noir, apparently you're not one of them (for that matter neither am I). :)


:D

he's testing us testing him. it's zeno's paradox game theory babooshka dolls innit. babushka babooshka alliterationz

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28 Mar 2017 18:47

Dan2016 wrote:
Irondan wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
blackcat wrote:
Dan2016 wrote:
Banishings don't achieve anything, other than for appearances only. So why not be novel instead?
Get rid of Strict Liability banishings. Get rid of all banishings. My floral dress and bowler hat punishment was obviously facetious but you could do something in that spirit, like stop him using tri-bars, not officially register his time etc. Either way, it's socially inclusive punishment. The pariah thing is unnecessary. Let the guy continue racing if he wants to, at that level it's a social thing more than anything.


can you google translate English > Clockwork Orange?


Yarbles?

Pretty polly pretty polly
Babooshcka Lizzy

(I've no idea what you're on about blackcat :D A cryptic reference to rehab hypocrisy I'm guessing?)

Only a privileged few truly understand the teachings of la pussie noir, apparently you're not one of them (for that matter neither am I). :)


:D

he's testing us testing him. it's zeno's paradox game theory babooshka dolls innit. babushka babooshka alliterationz

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28 Mar 2017 19:37

This becoming flow of consciousness poetry. Let the finger snapping begin.
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Re: Re:

28 Mar 2017 19:43

TeflonDub wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


More a case of UKAD fiddling while Rome burns (or Manchester (Kil)burns?). Great news now that UKAD has rid the professional ranks of doping that it has resources to spare to chase down masters.

Agree with this. It's a shocking use of resources. Maybe they think the pro's are taking their queue from the clubs around the country.
How many of these mickey mouse tests are going on when hey could actually have people checking which country and track Mo is actually at.
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28 Mar 2017 19:51

noddy69 wrote:
TeflonDub wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:So amateurs get a free pass?

OK.....


More a case of UKAD fiddling while Rome burns (or Manchester (Kil)burns?). Great news now that UKAD has rid the professional ranks of doping that it has resources to spare to chase down masters.

Agree with this. It's a shocking use of resources. Maybe they think the pro's are taking their queue from the clubs around the country.
How many of these mickey mouse tests are going on when hey could actually have people checking which country and track Mo is actually at.


The umbrella organisation for amateur time trials in the UK, Cycling Time Trials, pays for UKAD to do tests using money from the competitors' entry fees

If the IAAF or UK Athletics wants to test Mo they'd have to use their money
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