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Official Valverde thread.

23 Apr 2014 13:41

Most of it has gone in the Movistar thread, but Valverde has really earned his own one.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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23 Apr 2014 13:50

There was a tailwind on the climb today.

Martin on 2nd place was too far back, Kwia on 3rd was too much on the front. Valverde timed it perfectly. The two former winners either crashed or lead the bunch with 1km to go. Betancur far from top form.
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23 Apr 2014 13:51

Nothing has changed.
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23 Apr 2014 13:59

I'm starting to think froome won't even podium this year. The tour in recent years has been dominated by guys who are on form all year. There are some exceptions but the winners especially last 3 years have been the guys who peak 6 months.

Valverde vs Contador. Unfortunately for Valverde, he cannot win that battle from what I see.

Ironically the vuelta has in recent years been dominated by the opposite, guys who do very little all season.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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23 Apr 2014 14:00

2:41, new record
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23 Apr 2014 14:04

The Hitch wrote:I'm starting to think froome won't even podium this year. The tour in recent years has been dominated by guys who are on form all year. There are some exceptions but the winners especially last 3 years have been the guys who peak 6 months.

Valverde vs Contador. Unfortunately for Valverde, he cannot win that battle from what I see.

Ironically the vuelta has in recent years been dominated by the opposite, guys who do very little all season.


Who would be 3rd then?

I still think Froome is the top favorite and will be very hard to beat.
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23 Apr 2014 14:11

LaFlorecita wrote:Who would be 3rd then?

I still think Froome is the top favorite and will be very hard to beat.


You predict Contador won't win? That's a new one.

Who will come 3rd. Anyone. Probably Nibali does it again by avoiding crashes punctures etc.

It's not that froome will be on his 2013 form and outperformed though. I think hes going to go into the race without proper preparation, maybe the back injury again whatever, might pull out, not turn up or be a bit like 2012 vuelta.

Then again 2012 froome had no great form before dauphine and was still insane so maybe he still beats them.
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The Father of Clean Cycling, Christophe Bassons wrote:When I look at cycling today, I get the impression that history is repeating itself: riders who are supposed to be rouleurs are climbing passes at the front of the race, and those who are supposed to be climbers are riding time trials at more than 50 kilometres per hour.

The story is beginning again, just as it did 14 years ago


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23 Apr 2014 14:25

Ah, the arms race. It was predicted. We already started to see its effects last year. It's time. Tour de Fukushima this July.
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23 Apr 2014 14:38

Netserk wrote:There was a tailwind on the climb today.




It was really strong, judging by his winning celebration. 6 Beauforts/kg.
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23 Apr 2014 14:42

Dan Martin The Cleans was second so nothing to be suspicious about. He really is the best. As you've nicknamed it, It's just Valverde's comeback.
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23 Apr 2014 14:59

told you that 2014 will be awesome. bardiani is preparing the sputniks too.

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23 Apr 2014 15:05

nah guys, it's completely normal for clean riders to beat the times of past doped performances.
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23 Apr 2014 15:37

He only won today because Contador did not race
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23 Apr 2014 15:41

roundabout wrote:He only won today because Contador did not race


actually, its pretty scary that this is the same Valverde that got toyed with by Contador a couple of weeks ago. :eek:

Of course, there were tailwinds, and Horner was faster.. but still. Froome is in big trouble in july imo.
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23 Apr 2014 15:46

roundabout wrote:He only won today because Contador did not race


I was just recalling how Contador dropped him in Pais Vasco 2 weeks ago.
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23 Apr 2014 16:17

After being spanked by Contador few weeks ago he eats a few extra steaks, boom Gilbert 2011 record vanished.

Ridiculous.

The "Dope Wars Episode 2014 : Old school dopers strike back" will only end up in a totally doped peleton, again.
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Justico wrote:After being spanked by Contador few weeks ago he eats a few extra steaks, boom Gilbert 2011 record vanished.

Ridiculous.

The "Dope Wars: Episode 2014 - Old School Dopers Strike Back" will only end up in a totally doped peleton, again.


Fixed it. Nice title by the way. ;)
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23 Apr 2014 19:25

the sceptic wrote:actually, its pretty scary that this is the same Valverde that got toyed with by Contador a couple of weeks ago. :eek:

Of course, there were tailwinds, and Horner was faster.. but still. Froome is in big trouble in july imo.


1,3km climb at 9,3%, sprint from a small group. Absolutely Valverde territory, and this kind of race is an area where Froome has never shown anything in his career and where apart from a couple of showings with a lot of potential back in 2010, Contador hasn't either.

Valverde has been ludicrous-strong so far this season, but Flèche is a race that he could win any year, full Fuentes program or not. Nobody's going to argue that Ally Vally is clean, but today's win to me did not stand out as much as Roma Maxima.
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23 Apr 2014 19:47

40-1-2-21-7-(8)-46-7-1


Hmmm

Not anywhere near a podium in the previous 5 editions he rode in the "absolutely Valverde territory".
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23 Apr 2014 20:04

roundabout wrote:40-1-2-21-7-(8)-46-7-1


Hmmm

Not anywhere near a podium in the previous 5 editions he rode in the "absolutely Valverde territory".


With the exception of 2012 when everything went wrong for him in the Ardennes though, he's been up there regularly in the top 10. In 2008, the edition where he was 21st, he followed that up by winning LBL, so it's not like he had a bad Ardennes campaign. He's been top 10 in 5 of his last 5 Ardennes classics and won his last real puncheur finish from a bunch before this, admittedly against a much weaker field.

Again, Roma Maxima was a much bigger surprise, with the multiple attacks from distance; hiding in the bunch on a short, steep ascent and timing the sprint right at the end is well within Valverde's remit, even at his weakest. Flèche is about timing. In 2008 Evans was the strongest on the final climb, went too early and faded, Kirchen won. In 2010 Contador and Antón were the aggressors, but Evans profited. Today Martin had to come from positioned quite far back, which meant he wasn't able to answer Valverde's sprint; Kwiatkowski had done a bit too much work in lead position for my money.

I do not think that Don Alejandro is clean, though I do think he's a talented cyclist. I don't understand why he gets so much more hate than a number of other dopers, other than that he was lucky enough to have a good enough legal team to mean he wasn't banned while he was protesting his innocence. He is almost certainly doping in 2014, and his victory today was almost certainly influenced by it. I just don't think La Flèche Wallonne 2014 was an especially remarkable performance for a guy with his characteristics, capabilities and palmarès, and not one that jumped out at me as "this is beyond the pale".
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