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08 Apr 2017 15:29

Best spring ever at 37yo after being convicted of heavy doping.

Let's celebrate.
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08 Apr 2017 15:30

Wow, Valverde has a secret that the peloton would give anything to know what it is...

FFS, he's the best rider in the world right now!
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08 Apr 2017 15:31

37 is the new 30
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08 Apr 2017 15:32

Chris Horner don't have **** on Bala.. :confused:
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08 Apr 2017 15:34

Depressing
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08 Apr 2017 15:38

Looks to me like the great training effect from riding at the sharp end of three GTs in one season, is reaping its rewards for Valverde this spring. That, along with pretty weak opposition, seems the most logical explanation for his great results.

I struggle to believe his doping has radically changed - he's in his late 30s and was already at an insane level before this season, consistently winning big races - why mess around with the program that he had?
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08 Apr 2017 16:03

Irondan wrote:Wow, Valverde has a secret that the peloton would give anything to know what it is...

FFS, he's the best rider in the world right now!

Best rider right now? Hes been nº1 UCI for four or five years, I dont remember well. This man has been in the elite of cycling since he passed to profesionals.
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08 Apr 2017 16:05

Fernandez wrote:
Irondan wrote:Wow, Valverde has a secret that the peloton would give anything to know what it is...

FFS, he's the best rider in the world right now!

Best rider right now? Hes been nº1 UCI for four or five years, I dont remember well. This man has been in the elite of cycling since he passed to profesionals.


And even before that he was crushing everyone. He just doesn't know how to do anything else :lol:
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08 Apr 2017 16:06

Fernandez wrote:
Irondan wrote:Wow, Valverde has a secret that the peloton would give anything to know what it is...

FFS, he's the best rider in the world right now!

Best rider right now? Hes been nº1 UCI for four or five years, I dont remember well. This man has been in the elite of cycling since he passed to profesionals.

Meh, having the most points in a season does not mean they're the best rider in the world. It just means they gathered the most points.

Being the "best" means winning races, which is what he's doing now more than he ever has at this point in the season (I think..). He has nine wins already (twelve if you include points and mountains competitions) and it's only the beginning of April? Holy ****! This is not a joke!
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08 Apr 2017 16:08

DFA123 wrote:Looks to me like the great training effect from riding at the sharp end of three GTs in one season, is reaping its rewards for Valverde this spring. That, along with pretty weak opposition, seems the most logical explanation for his great results.

I struggle to believe his doping has radically changed - he's in his late 30s and was already at an insane level before this season, consistently winning big races - why mess around with the program that he had?


Good post, I have the same feelings. I also struggle to understand if people think he's like the only one doping, or the objection is that it's still working at his age? He's always been a class rider, whatever level he's been at. Doesn't surprise that he's still going well. I'm not a big fan of Valverde in any way, but I struggle to find him objectionable in a peloton where far more absurd and unlikely riders seem to do well.

Agree the level in general is not the highest we've seen in recent decades.
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08 Apr 2017 16:08

DFA123 wrote:Looks to me like the great training effect from riding at the sharp end of three GTs in one season, is reaping its rewards for Valverde this spring. That, along with pretty weak opposition, seems the most logical explanation for his great results.

I struggle to believe his doping has radically changed - he's in his late 30s and was already at an insane level before this season, consistently winning big races - why mess around with the program that he had?


You mean the great effect of many years of heavy doping abuse. Doping has a long term effect. He should have been banned permanently, like all the rest, including Contador.

Maybe the peloton is cleaner, but some renegades like Valverde refuse to back down on the doping abuse.
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08 Apr 2017 16:10

Fernandez wrote:
Irondan wrote:Wow, Valverde has a secret that the peloton would give anything to know what it is...

FFS, he's the best rider in the world right now!

Best rider right now? Hes been nº1 UCI for four or five years, I dont remember well. This man has been in the elite of cycling since he passed to profesionals.


He only won the WT ranking twice.
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08 Apr 2017 16:11

Last year was a bit harder to judge with an unusual race program, but he has been getting better year after year after his ban (and he is soon 37!). That's just not normal, doping or no doping.
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08 Apr 2017 16:13

Pretty obvious he isn't doing something out of the ordinary. He just has 1%, maybe 2% more than he has had in previous years and the luck necessary to pull it off. Pretty much only facing Contador in these stages races and he is past his prime (still a mighty fine one week rider but still). Also has a lot better of a program than what he has had the last many years - finally he is racing these races. Las year, only T-A when the mountain was cancelled.

Its too easy to say he has found a wonder drug and call him a fraud..
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08 Apr 2017 16:29

Hopefully it'll be the Valverde vs Gilbert show at Amstel.

Would be great to see two doped up Mid 30s legends going toe to toe.
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08 Apr 2017 16:33

I hope Sagan rides as well (and Greg too). Imagine those four getting away on Keutenberg.
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08 Apr 2017 16:33

the asian wrote:Hopefully it'll be the Valverde vs Gilbert show at Amstel.

Would be great to see two doped up Mid 30s legends going toe to toe.

Would be good to see a mano a mano between them. They might have to fight off some doped up early 20s rising stars and doped up late 20s nearly men to get their hands on the title though.
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08 Apr 2017 16:36

the asian wrote:Hopefully it'll be the Valverde vs Gilbert show at Amstel.

Would be great to see two doped up Mid 30s legends going toe to toe.


I don't think Gilbert will feature in the Ardennes, he'll be tired from having raced real races already. :twisted:

Besides, it will just be 3 bunch sprints anyway.
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08 Apr 2017 16:49

At this point I wouldn't even be surprised if he wins the TDF.
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08 Apr 2017 17:02

Netserk wrote:I hope Sagan rides as well (and Greg too). Imagine those four getting away on Keutenberg.


Yeah, cobbled classic specialists need to race AGR as well, to show those hilly losers who's boss. :lol:

GVA was strong there in 2015. So I hope he doesn't win Roubaix because that increases his chances of riding there.
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