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05 Nov 2018 18:57

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:It's messages like these that make me lose all sympathy I have for Valverde again:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-never-tested-positive/

**** off Piti


He said "I never tested positive but they decided to sanction me and there you go. I served the ban and since my return the only thing I have done is enjoyed cycling."

I don't see any offense in that. It's the truth. He doesn't even say - here - that he didn't do anything wrong.

But of course Cyclingnews must make such a ridiculous headline.
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05 Nov 2018 18:58

Koronin wrote:Except he's technically correct. He hasn't failed an anti doping test. (LA did and it was covered it). Valverde's issue was having one of his blood bags as part of the group that was taken during the Operation Puerto raid.


Sometimes I really wonder who you think you're talking to...

I think everybody who will ever read a comment in here is familiar with that fact.
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05 Nov 2018 20:13

tobydawq wrote:
Koronin wrote:Except he's technically correct. He hasn't failed an anti doping test. (LA did and it was covered it). Valverde's issue was having one of his blood bags as part of the group that was taken during the Operation Puerto raid.


Sometimes I really wonder who you think you're talking to...

I think everybody who will ever read a comment in here is familiar with that fact.


Just the fact that failing/not failing a doping test and blood bags being DNA tested aren't the same thing.
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05 Nov 2018 20:29

tobydawq wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:It's messages like these that make me lose all sympathy I have for Valverde again:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-never-tested-positive/

**** off Piti


He said "I never tested positive but they decided to sanction me and there you go. I served the ban and since my return the only thing I have done is enjoyed cycling."

I don't see any offense in that. It's the truth. He doesn't even say - here - that he didn't do anything wrong.

But of course Cyclingnews must make such a ridiculous headline.


I see an implication that only a positive test is a sanctionable offense.
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05 Nov 2018 21:13

roundabout wrote:
tobydawq wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:It's messages like these that make me lose all sympathy I have for Valverde again:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-never-tested-positive/

**** off Piti


He said "I never tested positive but they decided to sanction me and there you go. I served the ban and since my return the only thing I have done is enjoyed cycling."

I don't see any offense in that. It's the truth. He doesn't even say - here - that he didn't do anything wrong.

But of course Cyclingnews must make such a ridiculous headline.


I see an implication that only a positive test is a sanctionable offense.


Yeah, you may be right.

I don't think it was the wisest comment either.
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05 Nov 2018 21:18

Koronin wrote:Except he's technically correct. He hasn't failed an anti doping test. (LA did and it was covered it). Valverde's issue was having one of his blood bags as part of the group that was taken during the Operation Puerto raid.


We don't know if Vavlerde failed and a test and it was covered up.

I do think cycling was the victim in operation puerto.
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05 Nov 2018 21:56

6. Presence of EPO :D
169. At the beginning of the proceedings launched against the Athlete for use of a prohibited
method, UPA-CONI learned that Bag no. 18, which was identified as belonging to the
Athlete, also tested positive for EPO in 2006. Based on this, UPA-CONI then charged the
Athlete with use of a prohibited substance, which the TNA confirmed in its Decision.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/cas_2009_a_1879_valverde_v_coni_en_0.pdf
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06 Nov 2018 11:39

Valverde's blood was tested, it was tested for EPO and it was again tested for his DNA to match CONI's test of Valverde's DNA.

That is at least 3 tests. So yes he was tested and tested positive.
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16 Nov 2018 20:30

Yes,
and we should remember points 177&178 of CAS 2009/A/1879:
177. Lastly, the Panel cannot ignore the statements made by Mr. Manzano (...);
178. In particular, Mr. Manzano stated that each cyclist on the Kelme team (including Mr. Valverde) received a doping treatment program based on his or her own competition schedule, which included the use of doping substances such as EPO and testosterone.
Injections were given directly by Dr. Fuentes during competitions (in hotel rooms where the athletes were staying), or the athletes (such as Mr. Valverde) received pre-filled syringes with which to perform the injections at home during trainings.
According to Mr. Manzano Mr. Valverde received injections of doping substances (such as EPO) on several occasions (for example, when the cyclists were training in Alicante. In addition, on the occasion of Tour od Spain 2003, the cyclists (i.e. Mr. Valverde) also received testosterone patches that they required to wear for a particular period of time (2 hours) in order to avoid a positive test during anti-doping controls.
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Re: Official Valverde thread.

16 Nov 2018 21:34

Operation Puerto doping case may be closed without identities of 29 athletes being revealed
16/11/2018
https://as.com/ciclismo/2018/11/15/mas_ciclismo/1542316297_981282.html
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16 Nov 2018 21:42

DNA of 24 men and 3 women, less than 10 were positively identified by DNA analysis
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Re: Official Valverde thread.

16 Nov 2018 21:55

Tim Booth wrote:Operation Puerto doping case may be closed without identities of 29 athletes being revealed
16/11/2018
https://as.com/ciclismo/2018/11/15/mas_ciclismo/1542316297_981282.html

Do you have it in English?
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18 Nov 2018 19:52

Not surprising but very annoying as no doubt very expensive footballers (soccer) were implicated. Wealthy and powerful sports will continue to think they can manipulate as they please. It will also encourage more such behaviour in the future. Cycling was the fall guy.
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19 Nov 2018 01:07

Cookster15 wrote:Not surprising but very annoying as no doubt very expensive footballers (soccer) were implicated. Wealthy and powerful sports will continue to think they can manipulate as they please. It will also encourage more such behaviour in the future. Cycling was the fall guy.


I agree with you.

However, why isn't there a separate thread for Operation Puerto? It's bigger than Valverde or cycling.
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19 Nov 2018 08:49

I couldn't find a thread about Operation Peurto using search or looking back 10 pages in the clinic. I agree, moderators should put these general OP posts in a new/existing thread about it if there is one, not Valverde's.
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19 Nov 2018 12:19

How do you get that search page? Search page on my phone only searches contents of posts?
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19 Nov 2018 12:26

samhocking wrote:How do you get that search page? Search page on my phone only searches contents of posts?


Link:

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Once you use the search bar at the top of the forum you'll get your quick results. Over on the right side of the page is an Advanced Search option.
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19 Nov 2018 15:48

Thanks. Just checked on Windows/Chrome and there is no Advanced Search, so that's why it's the first i've heard of it I guess. I'll bookmark that url though as very useful. Will save a stack of time.

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