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Drugs in rugby

30 Apr 2014 18:19

Had a very interesting conversation with a semiprofessional rugby player recently.

Clenbutorol is rampant. He can get it in 5 minutes. All his mates do it, and he commented that 'roid/HGH abuse is glaringly obvious when he sees mates return from off-season break looking unfeasibly massive.

Testing is an irrelevance. They are forewarned by coach.
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30 Apr 2014 18:24

stutue wrote:Had a very interesting conversation with a semiprofessional rugby player recently.

Clenbutorol is rampant. He can get it in 5 minutes. All his mates do it, and he commented that 'roid/HGH abuse is glaringly obvious when he sees mates return from off-season break looking unfeasibly massive.

Testing is an irrelevance. They are forewarned by coach.


I think it is obvious you only have to look at the size and leanness of the players who play at a reasonable level. There used to be a big variation in size between players i.e. some fat, some slim, some muscular. Now they are all muscular and lean its common for backs to be 100Kg plus and 10% (or less) body fat = not normal.
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30 Apr 2014 18:27

Oh I agree, totally, it is obvious. Those foreheads :eek:

Its just that you don't often here it from the horses mouth
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30 Apr 2014 18:48

I wouldn't say testing is an irrelevance.

There's 10 UK players currently serving a ban, 9 of them due to a positive test (Or a negative intelligence test if you like).

Its so obviously prevalent that what used to be my favorite sport to play and watch, I barely bother finding.
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30 Apr 2014 20:15

Just look at the current sanctions on the UKADA website.
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30 Apr 2014 20:36

nevada wrote:Just look at the current sanctions on the UKADA website.


Tried to find it.

Googled 'UKADA' and got this:

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01 May 2014 00:45

stutue wrote:Oh I agree, totally, it is obvious. Those foreheads :eek:

Its just that you don't often here it from the horses mouth

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01 May 2014 00:51

SundayRider wrote:I think it is obvious you only have to look at the size and leanness of the players who play at a reasonable level. There used to be a big variation in size between players i.e. some fat, some slim, some muscular. Now they are all muscular and lean its common for backs to be 100Kg plus and 10% (or less) body fat = not normal.

its the new stuff.

10-15 years ago, those muscleheads meatheads who competed in Mr Olympia would be about 240lbs at 4% bf when COMPETING. They would walk around at about 280lbs (rule of thumb, they all were +/- 30lbs of figures I am quoting. And they would have been heavy at about 15% to 20% bf. Most folk seeing the bodybuilders on the street at 300lbs would have thought they were fat, but it was only a small percentage of fat they were looking at, it was mostly muscle. Even with the distended belly and protusion of the hgh gut.

Now they walk around lean, about 10%, out of competition, and only have to lose a few % of fat.

In cycling parlance, I think it was MGTHB (more glorious than hookers and blow) who coined it, "NOT NORMAL".
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01 May 2014 01:27

Except the All Blacks. They are cleans. If you don't count the Samoan Steroid (Taro).

I heard from a reliable source (friend of neighbours, cousins, postman) that the Warriors League team got 2 weeks notice before a test and they could nominate who got tested. So yeah, they are trying pretty hard to catch people.....
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01 May 2014 02:49

ralphbert wrote:Except the All Blacks. They are cleans. If you don't count the Samoan Steroid (Taro).

I heard from a reliable source (friend of neighbours, cousins, postman) that the Warriors League team got 2 weeks notice before a test and they could nominate who got tested. So yeah, they are trying pretty hard to catch people.....


Exactly. Everyone knows hat the All Blacks physique is all down to how much they practise the haka. As this video from 1973 proves. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d27_1384687773
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01 May 2014 02:55

Irrefutable evidence they are cleans:
1. Anglo-Saxon
2. Speak English
3. Come from my mother country
Case closed.

That Haka was embarrassing BTW. I could confidently say 99.9% of people would rather not know if the AB's are doping. If a journalist tried to do some digging they would be hung for treason.
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01 May 2014 03:15

ralphbert wrote:Except the All Blacks. They are cleans. If you don't count the Samoan Steroid (Taro).

I heard from a reliable source (friend of neighbours, cousins, postman) that the Warriors League team got 2 weeks notice before a test and they could nominate who got tested. So yeah, they are trying pretty hard to catch people.....

Look at how much came out of the investigation into the Cronulla Sharks, especially Paul Gallen. Diddly squat.

Last summer I saw him doing a beach run with a trainer at Maroubra, the guy looked like a cheesegrater, there was no fat to be seen. Take a look at the difference between him 5-6 years ago and now - he's barely recognisable.
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01 May 2014 03:16

ralphbert wrote:Irrefutable evidence they are cleans:
1. Anglo-Saxon
2. Speak English
3. Come from my mother country
Case closed.

That Haka was embarrassing BTW. I could confidently say 99.9% of people would rather not know if the AB's are doping. If a journalist tried to do some digging they would be hung for treason.

Hung for treason? They'd be publicly lynched so viciously the Taliban would cringe.
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01 May 2014 03:26

Catwhoorg wrote:There is no enjoyment in watching drug fueled cheats batter each other. If I want to watch that I'll turn on the NFL.


or WWE....
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01 May 2014 05:05

slowspoke wrote:Exactly. Everyone knows hat the All Blacks physique is all down to how much they practise the haka. As this video from 1973 proves. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d27_1384687773

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01 May 2014 06:50

I know an ex rugby union pro (who retired over 10 years ago) who insists it is all diet/training related. The physiques are partly down to professionalism but also down to illegal methods.
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01 May 2014 07:42

ralphbert wrote:Irrefutable evidence they are cleans:
1. Anglo-Saxon
2. Speak English
3. Come from my mother country
Case closed.

That Haka was embarrassing BTW. I could confidently say 99.9% of people would rather not know if the AB's are doping. If a journalist tried to do some digging they would be hung for treason.


It's amazing to see the difference in body size from then to now. BTW I went to school with ex Scottish rugby captain Jason White, who was 6"2 when he was 12. What shocked me the most was how normal he looked on telly next to the other Rugby players. I have also had the pleasure of working with a few AB's TBH none of them seems too massive. SBW however, is clearly on something.
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01 May 2014 09:31

SundayRider wrote:I know an ex rugby union pro (who retired over 10 years ago) who insists it is all diet/training related. The physiques are partly down to professionalism but also down to illegal methods.


I know a current union and a current league pro, both internationals. The training is certainly part of it, you don't look like that just by taking drugs. no way I'd put my neck on the line for either of them though and I played junior rugby with one and he is from my home town. It's pretty obvious there is rampant drug abuse, and union is just about catching up with league.
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01 May 2014 10:24

ralphbert wrote:Irrefutable evidence they are cleans:
1. Anglo-Saxon
2. Speak English
3. Come from my mother country
Case closed.

That Haka was embarrassing BTW. I could confidently say 99.9% of people would rather not know if the AB's are doping. If a journalist tried to do some digging they would be hung for treason.



I haven't got much hard evidence, but here goes. I went to a UK sports college back in 1979. A mate of mine was in the college's rugby team, he told me he took amphetamines before every game to make himself more aggressive. Roll on 20 years and a number of my colleagues were working on a methodology for detecting the misuse of certain drugs in sport. One was a good friend of mine and we often discussed cycling. He had access to a lot of data relating to British athletes, and when I asked him about doping in rugby, he remarked that the weights suggested that many of them were on drugs. He also knew some of the inside information on the Modahl case that effectively bankrupted the British Athletics Federation.
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01 May 2014 10:53

Catwhoorg wrote:I wouldn't say testing is an irrelevance.

There's 10 UK players currently serving a ban, 9 of them due to a positive test (Or a negative intelligence test if you like).

Its so obviously prevalent that what used to be my favorite sport to play and watch, I barely bother finding.
There is no enjoyment in watching drug fueled cheats batter each other. If I want to watch that I'll turn on the NFL.


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