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06 Feb 2017 10:03

Quintana in good form early on in the season.
Made me think about this one from Movistar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz5uqE4RVjc

"Hide it, so that nobody sees it", one mechanic says to the other who picks up the bike and sneaks away with it.

Good to know that Cookson's got it all under control.
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06 Feb 2017 11:28

Yes, everyone who does well must be either doping, motordoping or both. And anyone who regularly beat them must be as well. And anyone who is pretty close in terms of performance level, and those who are close to them, and those who are close to them.
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06 Feb 2017 18:31

Hey Sniper, at least you keep watching cycling!
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06 Feb 2017 18:37

Valv.Piti wrote:Yes, everyone who does well must be either doping, motordoping or both. And anyone who regularly beat them must be as well. And anyone who is pretty close in terms of performance level, and those who are close to them, and those who are close to them.


Last time i looked the testing was a joke, UCI still a joke, teams still run by ex dopers and ex enabling dopers, teams still full of people who have a culture to dope and cheat.

With all that in mind yep, riders are either doping, motordoping or both.
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06 Feb 2017 20:32

None of which warrants topping a thread to re-post an old video that has no relevance to current events.
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06 Feb 2017 21:17

Quintana thread, Quintana vid.
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06 Feb 2017 22:09

It's not a Quintana vid.
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06 Feb 2017 23:13

Escarabajo wrote:Hey Sniper, at least you keep watching cycling!

:D
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06 Feb 2017 23:14

hrotha wrote:None of which warrants topping a thread to re-post an old video that has no relevance to current events.

perhaps certain current events have slipped past you?
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07 Feb 2017 02:11

Look, the reality is it's not so much about the doping, it's who people like or dislike. Because they are all doing something. Just like all the Lance haters, as if him cheating took wins away from all the true, clean riders like Jan Ullrich! All the posters who defend Froome must be British, or fanboys, or both, because if he's clean, they have to defend every other rider, because if a pure climber like Quintana is doping, there should be NO WAY Froome could possibly out-climb him. Admittedly, I dislike Froome more than most other current doped up riders, so I hope the doped up Quintana can give him a challenge this year.
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07 Feb 2017 03:55

mike75 wrote:Look, the reality is it's not so much about the doping, it's who people like or dislike. Because they are all doing something. Just like all the Lance haters, as if him cheating took wins away from all the true, clean riders like Jan Ullrich! All the posters who defend Froome must be British, or fanboys, or both, because if he's clean, they have to defend every other rider, because if a pure climber like Quintana is doping, there should be NO WAY Froome could possibly out-climb him. Admittedly, I dislike Froome more than most other current doped up riders, so I hope the doped up Quintana can give him a challenge this year.


Pretty much, the one exception being motor doping that would probably affect even the most hardened homer.
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07 Feb 2017 07:02

Valv.Piti wrote:Yes, everyone who does well must be either doping, motordoping or both. And anyone who regularly beat them must be as well. And anyone who is pretty close in terms of performance level, and those who are close to them, and those who are close to them.


I hope this isn't an attempt at sarcasm.
.because the above pretty accurately captures recent cycling history.
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07 Feb 2017 15:21

hrotha wrote:It's not a Quintana vid.


Quintana was in the race and it is his team Movistar in the video, to get pedantic....... ;)
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16 Mar 2017 12:36

Read this and you'll feel like you stepped into a time machine and went back to the birth of Team Sky
The data push is being led by Luca, a Telefónica unit that helps companies find ways to profit from data they collect in the normal course of business. Telefónica’s chief data officer, Chema Alonso, a big cycling fan, and members of Luca decided to try using data to give the team an edge—and give Movistar a publicity boost by highlighting its doping-free reputation in a sport tarnished by the cheating of Lance Armstrong and dozens of others.

It’s not easy to bring everyone around to the idea that data can make a difference. Eusebio Unzué, the team’s manager for 32 years, says he’s better off following his gut when it comes to advising his riders, a strategy that’s helped him build Movistar into the world’s top-ranked team for the last four years. “In this sport, whoever has the best legs wins the race,” he says. De Alarcón says Unzué’s resistance is similar to what he encounters at companies where veteran managers trust their instincts more than technology, but he predicts even old-timers such as Unzué will eventually conclude that it’s never bad to have more information even if you rely on years of experience. Unzué grudgingly agrees. “Technology is more and more important and improving in certain aspects of preparation,” he says.
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16 Mar 2017 21:00

Not sure if it has any relation to the crab Sky was selling. But Ok.
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16 Mar 2017 21:42

Escarabajo wrote:Not sure if it has any relation to the crab Sky was selling. But Ok.
Yep. This is something completely different but every bit as funny. It looks like the CDO and head of marketing at Movistar is a big data geek and cycling fan who has decided to build up a fun little side project (I'm guessing as a treat for his team and as an excuse to play around a bit). It's obviously annoying the heck out of Unzue. But, the data is already there, and Eusebio knows where his bread gets buttered, so he'll ignore it as politely as he can (which is to say, glorious amounts of side-eye).
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16 Mar 2017 22:13

Sounds like the movie - Moneyball
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18 Mar 2017 20:33

Tim B wrote:Sounds like the movie - Moneyball



Chema Alonso: Eusebio, you got a minute?
Eusebio: Yeah. Take a seat.
Chema Alonso: You can't start Nairo in the Tour. You'll have to start Bennati.
Eusebio: Yeah, I don't want to go fifteen rounds, Chema. The lineup card is mine, and that's all.
Chema Alonso: That lineup card is definitely yours. I'm just saying you can't start Nairo in the Tour.
Eusebio: Well, I am starting him in the Tour.
Chema Alonso: I don't think so. He rides for HP BTP–Auber93 now.
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19 Mar 2017 15:42

BYOP88 wrote:
Tim B wrote:Sounds like the movie - Moneyball



Chema Alonso: Eusebio, you got a minute?
Eusebio: Yeah. Take a seat.
Chema Alonso: You can't start Nairo in the Tour. You'll have to start Bennati.
Eusebio: Yeah, I don't want to go fifteen rounds, Chema. The lineup card is mine, and that's all.
Chema Alonso: That lineup card is definitely yours. I'm just saying you can't start Nairo in the Tour.
Eusebio: Well, I am starting him in the Tour.
Chema Alonso: I don't think so. He rides for HP BTP–Auber93 now.
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