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01 Jul 2017 01:05

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ontheroad wrote:Cookson has been more active in the media in the last 2 weeks than he has in the previous 2 years. He is clearly desperate to cling to power.

There is a shitload at stake for Cookson and 'friends'. It's not just about the presidency. It's about Cookson's past. His son's future. Covering up Team Sky's and BC's cheating throughout the past two decades.

Saying as he is so busy giving media briefings now, the next time he speaks I'd like if he could confirm if he has updated his method of checking for motors at the tour or whether he intends to ignore police advice again this year.
That's one of many issues.

But people who say it's all Martin Gibbs are wrong.
Sure, Gibbs seems to be pulling a lot of strings. But Cookson has been very actively involved himself in a lot of dodgy business, and there's no need to cut him slack by saying he's just Gibbs' muppet.

For instance, all the dodgy dealings with MTN Qhubeka/Dimension Data is Cookson's work.
This includes:
- the appointment of a certain JP Van Zyl, a convicted doper with close connections to Dimension Data, as head of UCI's South African WCC;
- the appointment of son Oliver as a DS at Dimension Data;
- ensuring Dimension Data's world tour license for 2016&17

I wrote about the appointment of Van Zyl here:
viewtopic.php?p=1956321#p1956321

Gasping conflicts of interest with a large teaspoon of nepotism.
Plenty of scope for brown envelopes, cover-ups and cheating.
Not pretty.


So Cookson is planning to get the African votes then? :D Maybe his pick for the Oceania Federation too will come up trumps. see

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-appoints-vice-presidents/
Newly elected President of the International Cycling Union (UCI), Brian Cookson, has announced the three vice presidents he has entrusted to help reform the sport under his watch. For the next four years, Tracey Gaudry of the Oceania Federation, David Lappartient of the European Federation and Mohamed Wagih Azzam of the African federation will serve under Cookson.
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Re: Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

24 Jul 2017 23:17

Brailsford was running rings around Cookson at British Cycling and is doing he same now he is president of the UCI. Change is long overdue.
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25 Jul 2017 17:46

Cookson basically vanished from the scene after the Kreuziger case went bad on him. Since then it has been my perception, that he retracted from close to all antidoping commentary/statements. When is the last time we saw him taking interviews in this regard?
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25 Jul 2017 17:50

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/07/interview-uci-presidential-candidate-lappartient-aims-ramp-fight-hidden-motors/

I don't know if Lappartient is the answer but I'm certain he is 100% better than Brailsford's dogsbody. If Cookson manages to get another 4 years then the believability of the sport really will be a lost cause. There has been no leadership from Cookson whatsoever, Dodged the media and failed to comment all winter on the BC/Sky debacle, yet the minute Lappartienty threw his hat in the ring he suddenly found his voice again. Lappartient has showed more in the way of communication skills and outlining his plans than Cookson ever did.

The Cookson/Brailsford/sky cartel is much too cosy, smacks of cronyism and badly needs breaking up. I suspect that Brailsford's future will be bleak if Cookson fails to get re-elected.

The motor issue is possibly the most prevalent threat to the integrity of the sport and I'm glad that Lappartient has shown a willingness to address it in a public statement. It's reassuring that he hasn't pretended that it doesn't exist.Meanwhile Cookson went against the advice of French police when testing for motors at last years tour and is happy to continue with the charade of waving ipads about for the cameras with no real intention of actually clamping down on the problem.
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25 Jul 2017 17:56

I dont think Cookson/UCI is too unhappy with all the focus on motors. It is a convenient break/disturbance from focus on the various more traditional ways of cheating, some highligted in CIRC and completely ignored. It is much easier with motor theories as they are generally still in flat earth dismissal category.
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25 Jul 2017 18:19

Cookson who oversaw the appointment of bike engineer Dimitris Katsanis at BC in 2001.
The same Katsanis - founding member of the Secret Squirrels - who designed Millar's 2003 worlds TT bike and all GB track bikes ever since.
The same Katsanis appointed by Cookson as technical advisor of the UCI in 2013.
The same Katsanis who designed GB Track's "magic wheels".
Cookson's reign over UK cycling was simultaneous to Mark Barfield's reign over UK triathlon.
The same Barfield appointed by Cookson as technical director in 2014.
The same Barfield who tipped off Harry Gibbings - CEO of Typhoon e-bike manufacturer - when the French police were investigating.
The same Harry Gibbings who David Millar had been intimate friends with since the mid-90s.
The same David Millar whose 2003 worlds TT can't be explained without a motor.
The same David Millar who got caught in Biarritz in 2004, allegedly for a few vials of EPO, with Brailsford there knowing nothing (but how did the French police know?)
Biarritz, where Millar and Gibbings used to hang out together pre-2004.
Millar, whose sister is both Brailsfords (ex?)girlfriend and head of Winning Behaviours at Team Sky.

No, I don't think Cookson is happy with the focus on motors.
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25 Jul 2017 18:26

I think if Cookson was feeling the heat on the motor issue they would simply send a message by taking out a meduim size team/rider in the gilloutine. A la Kreuziger. But then again didnt go so well there - and he may be to incompetent at all to do so. And it does imply risk to acknowledge moto doping in the highest level, but the alternative, having authorities/journos/hacks come first could be even more disastrous. I dont know.
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25 Jul 2017 18:49

sniper wrote:Cookson who oversaw the appointment of bike engineer Dimitris Katsanis at BC in 2001.
The same Katsanis - founding member of the Secret Squirrels - who designed Millar's 2003 worlds TT bike and all GB track bikes ever since.
The same Katsanis appointed by Cookson as technical advisor of the UCI in 2013.
The same Katsanis who designed GB Track's "magic wheels".
Cookson's reign over UK cycling was simultaneous to Mark Barfield's reign over UK triathlon.
The same Barfield appointed by Cookson as technical director in 2014.
The same Barfield who tipped off Harry Gibbings - CEO of Typhoon e-bike manufacturer - when the French police were investigating.
The same Harry Gibbings who David Millar had been intimate friends with since the mid-90s.
The same David Millar whose 2003 worlds TT can't be explained without a motor.
The same David Millar who got caught in Biarritz in 2004, allegedly for a few vials of EPO, with Brailsford there knowing nothing (but how did the French police know?)
Biarritz, where Millar and Gibbings used to hang out together pre-2004.
Millar, whose sister is both Brailsfords (ex?)girlfriend and head of Winning Behaviours at Team Sky.

No, I don't think Cookson is happy with the focus on motors.


Cookson's finest achievement is in letting Uran, Porte, Cavendish and Rogers all take their moto-bikes with them when they left Sky to join new teams. He even gave Uran and Porte better models than their Sky versions. Moto-bikes spread throughout the peloton, all while averaging lower speeds in MTFs than ten years ago in 2007. Throwing people off the scent of truth by creating the charade of Sky completely outpaying rival teams to secure the services of confirmed GC leaders like Neive, Uran and Porte as mere Super domestiques. Genius!

In fairness, I think motors is an area we should take with some vigilance. I also think the sport in the U.K. is forever tarnished by having a proven doper in Davis Millar on the TV coverage. And Cooksons media presence is laughable, even in the U.K. But arguments that Sky are favoured and protected by Cookson while the likes of Valverde, Uran and Porte have their hands tied does not hold up to scrutiny.
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25 Jul 2017 20:16

Fergoose wrote:...
Cookson's finest achievement is in letting Uran, Porte, Cavendish and Rogers all take their moto-bikes with them when they left Sky to join new teams. He even gave Uran and Porte better models than their Sky versions. Moto-bikes spread throughout the peloton, all while averaging lower speeds in MTFs than ten years ago in 2007. Throwing people off the scent of truth by creating the charade of Sky completely outpaying rival teams to secure the services of confirmed GC leaders like Neive, Uran and Porte as mere Super domestiques. Genius!

The old "Tyler and Floyd became better after they left, hence USPS is clean" argument.
Gold!
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25 Jul 2017 21:21

sniper wrote:
Fergoose wrote:...
Cookson's finest achievement is in letting Uran, Porte, Cavendish and Rogers all take their moto-bikes with them when they left Sky to join new teams. He even gave Uran and Porte better models than their Sky versions. Moto-bikes spread throughout the peloton, all while averaging lower speeds in MTFs than ten years ago in 2007. Throwing people off the scent of truth by creating the charade of Sky completely outpaying rival teams to secure the services of confirmed GC leaders like Neive, Uran and Porte as mere Super domestiques. Genius!

The old "Tyler and Floyd became better after they left, hence USPS is clean" argument.
Gold!


Can't even muster an attempt at a factual rebuttal? Not even going to try and explain why Uran on a Sky bike is slower than when he is on a Cannondale one?

This sniper is firing blanks.

Conspiracy theorist completely incapable of dealing in logic? Gold!

Well, more like bronze really. ;)
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Re: Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

27 Jul 2017 12:59

McQuaid sticks the boot into "fraud" Cookson:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-calls-cookson-a-fraud-backs-lappartient-in-uci-elections/

McQuaid calls Cookson a ‘fraud’, backs Lappartient in UCI elections
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Re: Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

27 Jul 2017 13:09

thehog wrote:McQuaid sticks the boot into "fraud" Cookson:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-calls-cookson-a-fraud-backs-lappartient-in-uci-elections/

McQuaid calls Cookson a ‘fraud’, backs Lappartient in UCI elections


Let's hope Cookson sues as is the modus operandi of UCI Presidents :lol:
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Re: Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

27 Jul 2017 13:10

thehog wrote:McQuaid sticks the boot into "fraud" Cookson:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-calls-cookson-a-fraud-backs-lappartient-in-uci-elections/

McQuaid calls Cookson a ‘fraud’, backs Lappartient in UCI elections


Some of the comments on that article are pitiful. These fluffed-up, self-believing, "informed" cycling fans defending Cookson. Some people are so stupid they should be in protective care to keep them from accidentally harming themselves.
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Re: Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

27 Jul 2017 13:26

Beech Mtn wrote:Some of the comments on that article are pitiful. These fluffed-up, self-believing, "informed" cycling fans defending Cookson. Some people are so stupid they should be in protective care to keep them from accidentally harming themselves.
Tho it pained me to do so, having seen the above comment I looked at the BTL offerings on CN's story. I was expecting replies in the treble digits and I was expecting them to be overwhelmingly supportive of Cookson. There was fifteen. I'll say that again: there was fifteen. Of those fifteen, I'd identify only five of them as supporting Cookson - one in three - and of those five only two of them show any level of thought. This is from one of them:
If the race organizations didn't have all the power, control the revenue, manage the broadcast rights and dictate who can and can't race then maybe Cookson might have had a chance. Unfortunately he's not a strong leader and can't break the stranglehold. Problem is - the culture that McQuaid and Verbruggen before him created consolidated all the power into the hands of a few and they are NOT letting go. Cookson isn't the right person for the position, but I don't see anyone waiting in the wings with the leadership experience to wrest control back.
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27 Jul 2017 14:27

The Old Guard are not amused ... and still fuming about losing. Gibbs was at UCI between 2007-2009 so I assume something happened then.
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Re: Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

27 Jul 2017 16:40

fmk_RoI wrote:
Beech Mtn wrote:Some of the comments on that article are pitiful. These fluffed-up, self-believing, "informed" cycling fans defending Cookson. Some people are so stupid they should be in protective care to keep them from accidentally harming themselves.
Tho it pained me to do so, having seen the above comment I looked at the BTL offerings on CN's story. I was expecting replies in the treble digits and I was expecting them to be overwhelmingly supportive of Cookson. There was fifteen. I'll say that again: there was fifteen. Of those fifteen, I'd identify only five of them as supporting Cookson - one in three - and of those five only two of them show any level of thought. This is from one of them:
If the race organizations didn't have all the power, control the revenue, manage the broadcast rights and dictate who can and can't race then maybe Cookson might have had a chance. Unfortunately he's not a strong leader and can't break the stranglehold. Problem is - the culture that McQuaid and Verbruggen before him created consolidated all the power into the hands of a few and they are NOT letting go. Cookson isn't the right person for the position, but I don't see anyone waiting in the wings with the leadership experience to wrest control back.


So you can't read. Next time I'll bold the first word and put it in big letters.
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Re: Cookson is worse for cycling than McQuaid

27 Jul 2017 16:57

Beech Mtn wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:
Beech Mtn wrote:Some of the comments on that article are pitiful. These fluffed-up, self-believing, "informed" cycling fans defending Cookson. Some people are so stupid they should be in protective care to keep them from accidentally harming themselves.
Tho it pained me to do so, having seen the above comment I looked at the BTL offerings on CN's story. I was expecting replies in the treble digits and I was expecting them to be overwhelmingly supportive of Cookson. There was fifteen. I'll say that again: there was fifteen. Of those fifteen, I'd identify only five of them as supporting Cookson - one in three - and of those five only two of them show any level of thought. This is from one of them:
If the race organizations didn't have all the power, control the revenue, manage the broadcast rights and dictate who can and can't race then maybe Cookson might have had a chance. Unfortunately he's not a strong leader and can't break the stranglehold. Problem is - the culture that McQuaid and Verbruggen before him created consolidated all the power into the hands of a few and they are NOT letting go. Cookson isn't the right person for the position, but I don't see anyone waiting in the wings with the leadership experience to wrest control back.


So you can't read. Next time I'll bold the first word and put it in big letters.
Some of the comments turned out to be one. Politely, that's beyond hyperbolics.
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27 Jul 2017 17:09

when Beech_mtn says "some", fmk is "expecting replies in the treble digits". Makes sense.
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27 Jul 2017 17:24

Robert5091 wrote:The Old Guard are not amused ... and still fuming about losing. Gibbs was at UCI between 2007-2009 so I assume something happened then.


Gibs was a basic empoyeee on 2007, he then went and joined a British Cycling for the Cookson reign. Cookson brought him back to basically run the show whilst he travelled the world taking selfies.

Gibs was not elected but runs the UCI for Sky and Brian.
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27 Jul 2017 17:33

thehog wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:The Old Guard are not amused ... and still fuming about losing. Gibbs was at UCI between 2007-2009 so I assume something happened then.


Gibs was a basic empoyeee on 2007, he then went and joined a British Cycling for the Cookson reign. Cookson brought him back to basically run the show whilst he travelled the world taking selfies.

Gibs was not elected but runs the UCI for Sky and Brian.

Honest question: what is it why everyone believes Gibbs is pulling the strings? I've heard this repeated by different sources often enough, but I can't figure out where/when/how this consensus has its origins.
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