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09 Nov 2011 11:43

bump.

How has the testing for these products been?

Especially at large city marathon?
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26 Mar 2013 14:25

French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM
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26 Mar 2013 14:46

What’s the point?

OOC will only detect AICAR. They’re not going to use it during the Tour.
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26 Mar 2013 14:58

"a complete treatment is estimated at 300 000€ (390 000$ US)"

I guess JV was right. It is their budget! :D

thehog wrote:What’s the point?

OOC will only detect AICAR. They’re not going to use it during the Tour.


Does the effects on fat and glucose metabolism last when you go off it? Otherwise, it would probably be advantageous to use it during a GT.
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26 Mar 2013 15:00

Tyler'sTwin wrote:"a complete treatment is estimated at 300 000€ (390 000$ US)"

I guess JV was right. It is their budget! :D



Does the effects on fat and glucose metabolism last when you go off it? Otherwise, it would probably be advantageous to use it during a GT.

but professional sports have long been treated by the drug companies as guinea pigs.

so they would be able to get the pharma, via back door, the quid pro quo being some feedback or results of blood/other metrics.

like Armstrong.
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26 Mar 2013 15:20

GlaxoSmithKline, Amgen revisited?

Omegha Pharma.

Battle of the lab rats.
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26 Mar 2013 15:21

Race Radio wrote:French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM


wow, just wow 70%. . . .

thansk RR, fantastic contribution as always

i love how Boyer clearly hints as wiggins as being impossible.
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26 Mar 2013 15:31

When they have the test for AICAR, will Skys samples have gone walkabout?
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26 Mar 2013 15:34

Benotti69 wrote:When they have the test for AICAR, will Skys samples have gone walkabout?
That p!ss will be down the toilet.
Parrulo wrote:i love how Boyer clearly hints as wiggins as being impossible.
That is not the first time.
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26 Mar 2013 15:36

You are missing the point on testing. Since the UCI totally controls testing the French have nothing to do with it.

My understanding of the arrangement for the 2013 TdF is AFLD provides the on-the-ground services of collecting and shipping samples. That's all. Maybe I'm wrong though?

The UCI still chooses who to test, what to test for, and actually sending samples to experts to give advice about opening a case. As of 2012, the samples are totally anonymous to the lab now so no more Contador leaks.

We know for sure they have positive samples where nothing is done.

Cleanest TdF ever!

This link worked for me: http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2008/07/pill_may_boost.html

According to the body building forums I search, there's more than just GW1516 out there now where they have figured out how to trick the body to do extra recovery work, lean-out and more.

Note the date of the AICAR article, 2008 (!) and this line "..Evans, who has been beseiged by coaches and athletes looking for a competitive edge ever since his earlier mice studies." Someone at BC/Sky was on the list of coaches contacting Evans?
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26 Mar 2013 16:13



Detect and robust test are two different things, I do not believe there is a robust and sensitive test for these substances right now.
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26 Mar 2013 18:09

Race Radio wrote:French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM


According to this report, a test for AICAR is just now being finalized, but back in 2008 Ron Evans led us to believe he'd already done the ground work. That always seemed fishy to me. Sounded like a poor bluff.

Could the lab in Montreal mentioned below really not comunicate with the lab in Germany mentioned in the video?

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26 Mar 2013 19:38

Can someone post a link to the French Tv Alcar with SUBTITLES. I open the link and no subtitles appear.
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26 Mar 2013 20:29

Well who's got Canker sores? And wants to lose weight? :D

http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v19/n3/full/nm.3082.html

Maybe too high level for some but there's more than one way to skin a cat or lose weight so related.
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26 Mar 2013 21:01

Race Radio wrote:French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM


Ex-Cofidis director talking about an ex-Cofidis rider who suddenly lost 6 kg's wich according to him is impossible. Hmm :rolleyes:
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26 Mar 2013 21:09

ElChingon wrote:Well who's got Canker sores? And wants to lose weight? :D

http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v19/n3/full/nm.3082.html

Maybe too high level for some but there's more than one way to skin a cat or lose weight so related.

And here I am, just having emailed my supplements dealer friend for some grean tea extract, calcium pyruvate and such benile substances.

Even synefrine is now allowed by WADA, while some people respond to it like a bad ephedrine responce. Elevated heartrate, insomnia.
Would any of the AICAR customers have even fully explored the legal options?
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03 May 2013 22:56

Today someone told me AICAR is being used, he dont know details, but some people at least have done it.
is there a good test now?
Anyone know, despite it improve the endurance (in adittion of power), if Aicar in a third week of a GT is better than EPO, or in that week is not very usefull?
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03 May 2013 23:23

The problem won't be detecting AICAR, it'll be determining endogenous levels for elite athletes, sounds like they are close to doing that.
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04 May 2013 06:22

Taxus4a wrote:Today someone told me AICAR is being used, he dont know details, but some people at least have done it.
is there a good test now?
Anyone know, despite it improve the endurance (in adittion of power), if Aicar in a third week of a GT is better than EPO, or in that week is not very usefull?


I don't think it's useful during racing itself. Most likely it's use is early season leading up to the big races. Useful to drop weight and make some metabolic adaptations which won't reverse due to the physical stimulus of racing.

IMO, current drug regimens: Micro-dose EPO, start slow and from a long way out, has the same effect as regular EPO dose without the diuretic effect, making ABP less useful (assuming ABP's are even used). Blood bag + micro-dose (to boost retic) during the Tours. Androgens, corticosteroids, GW/AICAR, SARM's during training.
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