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20 Dec 2014 09:29

the sceptic wrote:
Otherwise they would be in here defending what he said in the interview.


I doubt that if such persons exist they give a monkey's.
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20 Dec 2014 15:44

TailWindHome wrote:You're categorising Brailsford's words in that article as evidence of doping?


del1962 wrote:Love the way DB is trolling Tinkoff though


You skyboys got an answer for this?

The Hitch wrote:Yes. Anyone who looks at him making those kind of lies in that context and comes to a conclusion other than that sky are doping, fails critical thinking.

Its all nice and well hiding behind the legal stipulation of proof that has to make it to a jury, that all criminals use as their last defense, but in the real world in many important jobs people have to make decisions based on logic. This one is as easy as they come. People who display a similar lack of logic in other situations get fired on the spot for incompetence.


Come on lets see some skyboy logic and tell us how Sky are doing it cleans?
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20 Dec 2014 17:23

D-Queued wrote:Sky discovered off-season riding?

Who knew it was such a secret.

Can't wait 'til someone finds out you can ride Monday-Friday, and don't have to wait for weekends.

Dave.

and they will invent ergo trainers at night-time under blue light, so their body's circadian rhythms are not disturbed. They can ride at night, under mood lighting, and their natural nightime hgh can still be spiked when they are riding.

endogenous, natural, #moremarginalthanmarginalGains
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20 Dec 2014 19:53

TailWindHome wrote:You're categorising Brailsford's words in that article as evidence of doping?


Well he is the same person that said that in a clean cycling world we wouldn't see a rider making attack after attack after attack in the mountains. That we would see just the one effective attack. After that statement and the performance of Froome in the mountains I'm inclined to question most of what he says.
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20 Dec 2014 20:44

Benotti69 wrote:You skyboys got an answer for this?



Come on lets see some skyboy logic and tell us how Sky are doing it cleans?


Wake me up when you have witnesses to DB doping cyclists, other than that there is nothing to debate that will change anyone's mind.
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20 Dec 2014 20:56

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Angliru wrote:Well he is the same person that said that in a clean cycling world we wouldn't see a rider making attack after attack after attack in the mountains. That we would see just the one effective attack. After that statement and the performance of Froome in the mountains I'm inclined to question most of what he says.


I'm fairly sure he is the same person who told is clean performances will surpass those of the doped era.

That was about 6 days prior to the Dawg going FR and then a short time after Astana's team wide Ferrari program was uncovered.

Brailsford is all brains :rolleyes:
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20 Dec 2014 21:11

I remember Pat, six weeks before the 2012 tour, telling us that we no longer see one team, with five riders arriving at the base of the last climb and just riding everyone off their wheel...of all the things we can all agree on, it's that the 2012 tour Is remembered exactly for this - sky were on another planet...the basso quote said it all - what am I meant to do - how can anyone attack the pace they are setting - and people make it out that it's clever tactics - so riding everyone off your wheel because you are simply riding faster than everyone is clever or new?!!!!
Doping died with Lance.
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20 Dec 2014 21:21

del1962 wrote:Wake me up when you have witnesses to DB doping cyclists, other than that there is nothing to debate that will change anyone's mind.


So you come here to troll..........
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20 Dec 2014 21:46

Benotti69 wrote:So you come here to troll..........


No, now stop trolling me
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21 Dec 2014 01:40

blackcat wrote:and they will invent ergo trainers at night-time under blue light, so their body's circadian rhythms are not disturbed. They can ride at night, under mood lighting, and their natural nightime hgh can still be spiked when they are riding.

endogenous, natural, #moremarginalthanmarginalGains


:D

Pretty soon the marginal gains are going to be so marginal that you cannot even measure them!

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21 Dec 2014 02:10

D-Queued wrote::D

Pretty soon the marginal gains are going to be so marginal that you cannot even measure them!

Dave.


Maybe you can water the marginal gains down a million times till only the memory of marginal gains is in the water molecules?

Then drink the water.
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21 Dec 2014 02:14

del1962 wrote:Wake me up when you have witnesses to DB doping cyclists, other than that there is nothing to debate that will change anyone's mind.


The return of demands for proof.

What are we waiting for exactly? Is BC going to turn Froome positive? Maybe Wiggo goes positive JUST before Rio? Is the UCI will turn some Sky boys positive when Zorzoli stops handing out Emergency TUEs?

Will we have to wait until Cookson has one foot in the election grave before Sky's doping story breaks? Does that sound familar? It just happened at the IAAF.
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21 Dec 2014 15:43

DirtyWorks wrote:The return of demands for proof.

What are we waiting for exactly? Is BC going to turn Froome positive? Maybe Wiggo goes positive JUST before Rio? Is the UCI will turn some Sky boys positive when Zorzoli stops handing out Emergency TUEs?

Will we have to wait until Cookson has one foot in the election grave before Sky's doping story breaks? Does that sound familar? It just happened at the IAAF.


I am sorry if it upsets you if I want some real world evidence before I decree someone a doper.
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21 Dec 2014 16:06

del1962 wrote:I am sorry if it upsets you if I want some real world evidence before I decree someone a doper.

cycling

cycling with wheels. = evidence.
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21 Dec 2014 16:14

blackcat wrote:cycling with wheels. = evidence.


Image

Behold, a clean rider!
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21 Dec 2014 16:22

Granville57 wrote:
Behold, a clean rider!


Cleans, I tell you, cleans!

Image
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21 Dec 2014 16:31

Granville57 wrote:Image

Behold, a clean rider!

thats millar.


i rest my case

=/= clean


#FAIL
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21 Dec 2014 16:32

blackcat wrote:thats millar.


i rest my case

=/= clean


#FAIL

Millar does #BeatsbyDrDre = #doubleFAIL
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21 Dec 2014 16:40

del1962 wrote:I am sorry if it upsets you if I want some real world evidence before I decree someone a doper.


Well said. You are bold to stand against the prevailing view in an inhospitable environment. ;)
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21 Dec 2014 16:40

del1962 wrote:I am sorry if it upsets you if I want some real world evidence before I decree someone a doper.


What's real world evidence? Or do you mean proof, not evidence. They often seem to get conflated in these discussions.
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