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17 May 2015 18:54

Angliru wrote:
SkyTears wrote:i heard UCI let USADA do antidoping tests here

i hope they catch both Julian and Sagan

this is so ridiculous that words can't describe, Armstrong and all his EPO era mates were 10x more believable.


I'd say it's on the same level as Hincapie going from cobbled classic specialist, to winning Tour mtf's to being talked up as Armstrong's successor.


It's Tour of California here, a non-WT event with a weak field. Not the greatest stage race.
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17 May 2015 19:11

Alexandre B. wrote:
Angliru wrote:
SkyTears wrote:i heard UCI let USADA do antidoping tests here

i hope they catch both Julian and Sagan

this is so ridiculous that words can't describe, Armstrong and all his EPO era mates were 10x more believable.


I'd say it's on the same level as Hincapie going from cobbled classic specialist, to winning Tour mtf's to being talked up as Armstrong's successor.


It's Tour of California here, a non-WT event with a weak field. Not the greatest stage race.

Still, Alaphilippe raced yesterday's final climb only 10 seconds slower than super-doped Horner and Levi, Sagan finished only 30 seconds or so behind, that's pretty suspicious.
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17 May 2015 19:21

Alexandre B. wrote:
Angliru wrote:
SkyTears wrote:i heard UCI let USADA do antidoping tests here

i hope they catch both Julian and Sagan

this is so ridiculous that words can't describe, Armstrong and all his EPO era mates were 10x more believable.


I'd say it's on the same level as Hincapie going from cobbled classic specialist, to winning Tour mtf's to being talked up as Armstrong's successor.


It's Tour of California here, a non-WT event with a weak field. Not the greatest stage race.


Not the greatest race, but that doesn't stop riders from doping. The level of competition never stopped people from cheating.
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17 May 2015 19:21

Tonton wrote:Still, Alaphilippe raced yesterday's final climb only 10 seconds slower than super-doped Horner and Levi, Sagan finished only 30 seconds or so behind, that's pretty suspicious.

Tailwind?
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17 May 2015 19:43

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Tonton wrote:Still, Alaphilippe raced yesterday's final climb only 10 seconds slower than super-doped Horner and Levi, Sagan finished only 30 seconds or so behind, that's pretty suspicious.

Tailwind?

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20 Apr 2016 14:52

Good to see he is back to full form after his mono!
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18 May 2016 12:51

Is the clinic losing its touch or is everyone too busy saying Sky is doping, with Landa pulling out? I like to believe most riders are clean and it is the odd 1% mixed with the sports history that ruins it for everyone, so I don't like to say he must be doping as the fact is, we can almost never be 100% sure.

However watching Alaphilippe basically sprint for almost the entire last 2km up Gibraltar Road had me sit up and think well that looks suspicious. He was flying whilst everyone else suffered, so I am surprised no one has mentioned anything on here or am I missing something?
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18 May 2016 13:10

‏@ammattipyoraily says Alaphillippe's VAM was over 1700 - more info later today apparently.
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18 May 2016 13:23

Incidentally Stetina is on Strava (no power meter, just GPS) - here's the climb in question https://www.strava.com/activities/579679493#14088875813 with a VAM of 1684. Alaphillippe finished 15 seconds ahead of Stetina.
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18 May 2016 14:21

So we have an initial reference this is Lauren's Ten Dams data who finished 6th 33 seconds behind
https://mobile.twitter.com/procyclistsdata/status/732911831552032770
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18 May 2016 15:49

gazr99 wrote:Is the clinic losing its touch or is everyone too busy saying Sky is doping, with Landa pulling out? I like to believe most riders are clean and it is the odd 1% mixed with the sports history that ruins it for everyone, so I don't like to say he must be doping as the fact is, we can almost never be 100% sure.

However watching Alaphilippe basically sprint for almost the entire last 2km up Gibraltar Road had me sit up and think well that looks suspicious. He was flying whilst everyone else suffered, so I am surprised no one has mentioned anything on here or am I missing something?


He's french so gets a free pass ;)
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18 May 2016 16:02

More like what he did feels like ToC 2015 2.0, and we already discussed that at length. Plus the ToC is kinda losing prestige the last few years I think.
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18 May 2016 17:12

Alaphilipe riders for Lefevere and that automatically means doping with Dr Ibauguren.

No one is calling Alaphilipe the saviour for clean cycling in comparison to JV and Sky, hence the silence in this thread.
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18 May 2016 20:44

Tonton wrote:
Alexandre B. wrote:
Angliru wrote:
SkyTears wrote:i heard UCI let USADA do antidoping tests here

i hope they catch both Julian and Sagan

this is so ridiculous that words can't describe, Armstrong and all his EPO era mates were 10x more believable.


I'd say it's on the same level as Hincapie going from cobbled classic specialist, to winning Tour mtf's to being talked up as Armstrong's successor.


It's Tour of California here, a non-WT event with a weak field. Not the greatest stage race.

Still, Alaphilippe raced yesterday's final climb only 10 seconds slower than super-doped Horner and Levi, Sagan finished only 30 seconds or so behind, that's pretty suspicious.


The conditions vary with every year. This stage was pretty neutral with little wind and no excessive heat. You also had Anaphillipe literally motorpaced to the top while Stetina bridged and then set tempo. Not comparable. Also not saying these guys are beyond reproach.
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19 May 2016 01:49

hrotha wrote:More like what he did feels like ToC 2015 2.0, and we already discussed that at length. Plus the ToC is kinda losing prestige the last few years I think.

+1. I felt the same the last few years. The level is just not there. So I am not that surprise with that performance.
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19 May 2016 02:24

There are some points.
1) Field is very weak. Climbers are not even 3rd level (no disrespect)
2) One mountain stage is equivalent to a one day race. Which is why Sagan & Alaphillipe were able to drop Henao last year. They have sufficient anaerobic energy to summon to match the more aerobic climbers for short distances. Put 2-3 mountain stages in a row and they will drop like a stone like in a GT.
it is difficult to conclude based on a single stage but Etixx says it all w.r.t their transformation with Kittel as well
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19 May 2016 07:51

gazr99 wrote:Is the clinic losing its touch or is everyone too busy saying Sky is doping, with Landa pulling out? I like to believe most riders are clean and it is the odd 1% mixed with the sports history that ruins it for everyone, so I don't like to say he must be doping as the fact is, we can almost never be 100% sure.

However watching Alaphilippe basically sprint for almost the entire last 2km up Gibraltar Road had me sit up and think well that looks suspicious. He was flying whilst everyone else suffered, so I am surprised no one has mentioned anything on here or am I missing something?


99% is clean but allaphillipe is the one who's doping? :confused:
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19 May 2016 09:56

The Hitch wrote:
gazr99 wrote:Is the clinic losing its touch or is everyone too busy saying Sky is doping, with Landa pulling out? I like to believe most riders are clean and it is the odd 1% mixed with the sports history that ruins it for everyone, so I don't like to say he must be doping as the fact is, we can almost never be 100% sure.

However watching Alaphilippe basically sprint for almost the entire last 2km up Gibraltar Road had me sit up and think well that looks suspicious. He was flying whilst everyone else suffered, so I am surprised no one has mentioned anything on here or am I missing something?


99% is clean but allaphillipe is the one who's doping? :confused:


I would much rather say it is a good performance rather than doping and Alaphillipe could be clean, and I could be getting more cynical as I get older. But I just expected it to be a real battle up Gibraltar Road, not see Alaphillipe basically sprint up for almost the entire last 2km which is the toughest section. That got my most of them are clean mindset a little worried/confused/suspicious. I just expected more people on here to mention it, but I could be wrong and it was just a very good performance
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19 May 2016 10:17

gazr99 wrote:
The Hitch wrote:
gazr99 wrote:Is the clinic losing its touch or is everyone too busy saying Sky is doping, with Landa pulling out? I like to believe most riders are clean and it is the odd 1% mixed with the sports history that ruins it for everyone, so I don't like to say he must be doping as the fact is, we can almost never be 100% sure.

However watching Alaphilippe basically sprint for almost the entire last 2km up Gibraltar Road had me sit up and think well that looks suspicious. He was flying whilst everyone else suffered, so I am surprised no one has mentioned anything on here or am I missing something?


99% is clean but allaphillipe is the one who's doping? :confused:


I would much rather say it is a good performance rather than doping and Alaphillipe could be clean, and I could be getting more cynical as I get older. But I just expected it to be a real battle up Gibraltar Road, not see Alaphillipe basically sprint up for almost the entire last 2km which is the toughest section. That got my most of them are clean mindset a little worried/confused/suspicious. I just expected more people on here to mention it, but I could be wrong and it was just a very good performance


Cynical?
If you think 99% of the peloton is clean then you are the opposite of cynical. (aka delusional)
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Re: Julian Alaphilippe

09 Jun 2016 15:33

Blimey- beat Bouhanni, Bennett, Degenkolb and co. in a sprint today!
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