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09 Feb 2018 19:37

Zebadeedee wrote:
brownbobby wrote:


I have absolutely no idea. Neither do you. People, athletes and non athletes, die young and suddenly for lots of different reasons.


I asked a question. No need for a sulky reply.

Here's another one for you, as you seem to like more certainty.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5361925/British-sprinter-Nigel-Levine-charged-doping.html

Happier now?


No, what there's no need for is you trying to link the untimely death of a young man to doping with zero evidence. Yours wasn't 'just a question'; it was a heavily loaded question.

And WTF would a random story about a confirmed doping case make me any more or less happy about your original post :confused:
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15 Feb 2018 12:09

yaco wrote:Kokoso does seem to bite whenever I post anything about Kreiziger - My post from three months ago - UCI charged Kreuziger with a ABP violation - The Czech Olympic Committee found no case to answer - The UCI appealed to CAS - Then CAS and the UCI dropped the case a few days before the hearing - So Kreuziger committed no anti-doping violation - It's crystal clear,

You wrote Kreuziger beat BPS. I was argumenting againts that.

If you wrote it this way first time, I would have not argued.
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15 Feb 2018 12:10

veganrob wrote:
yaco wrote:Kokoso does seem to bite whenever I post anything about Kreiziger - My post from three months ago - UCI charged Kreuziger with a ABP violation - The Czech Olympic Committee found no case to answer - The UCI appealed to CAS - Then CAS and the UCI dropped the case a few days before the hearing - So Kreuziger committed no anti-doping violation - It's crystal clear,

Not to mention he keeps calling it the BSP

Well Yaco was first to call it BSP, I've just followed :)
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04 Mar 2018 23:43

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/04/ruth-jebet-olympic-champion-drug-test-kenya-bahrain-steeplechase?CMP=share_btn_tw
Ruth Jebet, the reigning Olympic 3,000m steeplechase champion and world record holder, has become the highest-profile Kenya-born athlete to become embroiled in a drug-testing scandal.

Although the news has not yet been confirmed, a number of prominent sources have suggested Jebet has tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug, believed to be the blood booster EPO.
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06 Mar 2018 16:37

Robert5091 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/mar/04/ruth-jebet-olympic-champion-drug-test-kenya-bahrain-steeplechase?CMP=share_btn_tw
Ruth Jebet, the reigning Olympic 3,000m steeplechase champion and world record holder, has become the highest-profile Kenya-born athlete to become embroiled in a drug-testing scandal.

Although the news has not yet been confirmed, a number of prominent sources have suggested Jebet has tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug, believed to be the blood booster EPO.

I guess the 8:52 world record was too good to be true. A big name bust in any case, if this turns out to be true.

She's representing Bahrain nowadays, and there may have been a training camp bust in Kenya last week where her coach was arrested. https://twitter.com/thierryvildary/status/970340315751178241

Some conflicting information about who is coaching her (I also saw Khalid Boulami mentioned), and not really clear who else is in the same training group.
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14 Mar 2018 20:19

Vetter throwing the javelin 92.70m this early in the year is a brilliant mark. But I do wonder about the German team all suddenly adding so many meters to their throws since 2015-16. Did they figure out something totally new about javelin throwing technique?
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19 Mar 2018 20:03

Mo Farah has jumped the litigation shark and got a five figure defamation payment from a journalist

How long before he has to pay it back with interest just like Lance

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/03/mo-farah-sued-british-journalist-ben-bloom-defamation-parties-agreed-five-figure-settlement/
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27 Mar 2018 09:50

https://www.expressen.se/sport/friidrott/just-nu-svenska-fast-i-dopingtest/
Swede Petra Skiöld - 6 month ban from Sept 2017 for - furosemid.
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02 May 2018 21:21

Kiprop. Wow!
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03 May 2018 09:03

Nederick wrote:Kiprop. Wow!


"To those who have ever violated doping, I'm not part of you & I'm not about to join you. So don't celebrate. To the haters, Time will hurt you back. And to friends who believes I'm not who they thought I am; trust is measured. To a few who believes in hardwork sacrifice hope & breakthroughs the truth will outstand every challenge because the process is indeed truth fair play & transparency manifesting itself in our sport. I enjoy every bit of it & happy to be associated to. #FancyBears"
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03 May 2018 11:59

Nederick wrote:Kiprop. Wow!
Definitely! EPO positive reported - biggest catch on the men's side since Morrocan Rashid Ramzi (2008 CERA positive IC at Bejing/gold medal 1500 stripped). Kiprop is one of the greatest 1500m runners of all-time. 5th fastest ever (3:26.69) and only one of three runners to ever go sub-3:27 (El G & Lagat). Olympic gold medalist (Beijing) and 3xWorld Champion.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/may/02/athletics-olympic-champion-asbel-kiprop-tests-positive-drug-epo-kenyan
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03 May 2018 13:26

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03 May 2018 16:51

Nomad wrote:
Nederick wrote:Kiprop. Wow!
Definitely! EPO positive reported - biggest catch on the men's side since Morrocan Rashid Ramzi (2008 CERA positive IC at Bejing/gold medal 1500 stripped).
Oh dear. Advance notice? Oh dear oh dear. Bribery? Oh dear oh dear oh dear. An attempted cover up? Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. Statement
On 26th November 2017 I was notified by way of telephone call from an anti-doping agent, Mr. Simon Karugu “Mburu” to be available for doping test on 27th November 2017 at my disclosed whereabouts, by then Iten.
And
After the Doping Control Officers [Mr. Paul Scott and Mr. Simon Karugu “Mburu”] arrived at 7.50am, and after I had given them the urine sample Mr. Simon Karugu “Mburu” asked [for the first time in their visits] if I could give them some money. He did not specify how much they needed.
And
I have been asked to admit that I doped so that I would be made an ambassador of I.A.A.F on anti-doping. I have refused, as this is not only untrue but also a fraud. I do not need absolution on the allegations.
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Re: Re:

03 May 2018 18:14

fmk_RoI wrote:
Nomad wrote:
Nederick wrote:Kiprop. Wow!
Definitely! EPO positive reported - biggest catch on the men's side since Morrocan Rashid Ramzi (2008 CERA positive IC at Bejing/gold medal 1500 stripped).
Oh dear. Advance notice? Oh dear oh dear. Bribery? Oh dear oh dear oh dear. An attempted cover up? Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear. Statement
On 26th November 2017 I was notified by way of telephone call from an anti-doping agent, Mr. Simon Karugu “Mburu” to be available for doping test on 27th November 2017 at my disclosed whereabouts, by then Iten.
And
After the Doping Control Officers [Mr. Paul Scott and Mr. Simon Karugu “Mburu”] arrived at 7.50am, and after I had given them the urine sample Mr. Simon Karugu “Mburu” asked [for the first time in their visits] if I could give them some money. He did not specify how much they needed.
And
I have been asked to admit that I doped so that I would be made an ambassador of I.A.A.F on anti-doping. I have refused, as this is not only untrue but also a fraud. I do not need absolution on the allegations.


Several years ago,it was revealed that advance notice is standard operating procedure. Discussed here: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7022900

Thread title is Reid Coolsaet busts the myth that Kenyans don't get tested out of comp . Canadian Marathoner tweets "Kenyan style anti-doping test. Notify us the night before. 1 hour drive to test site at 5am. Many Olympic medalists in house." Thread discusses a) that there are OOC tests (this was a year after coach Renato Canova said there were no OOC blood tests in Kenya, 2014 I believe), and b) that they had advance notice. Renato Canova chimes in to say that this is regular.

Another big point on the exchange of money: that kind of charity is regular in Kenya. I'm not Kenyan, but the situation (freely asking for and giving money) itself will arise suspicion in most readers that needn't be there. But, that money was exchanged does add a wrinkle, given the history of bribery and corruption in Kenyan anti-doping. (One official was arrested, one official kicked out of IAAF, in response to asking for bribes to cover up or give advance notice of testing; that is all independent of the higher up scandals of Diack and others).

More context: Kiprop is third fastest ever. His gold medal was won through redistribution of the podium after a CERA bust. He was 18 then, 28 now. Multi-time world champion. Had been on an IAAF suspicion list, a list leaked by fancy bears last year. He vehemently denied of course. He is managed by the Rosas, who have had many athletes test positive. They had been arrested (or questioned? can't remember) by police in Kenya a year or two ago.
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03 May 2018 19:37

Kiprop situation getting very messy. Will the approach to blatant Kenyan doping change? Maybe, after all the lid started to come off Russia's blatant doping when the Shobukhova bribery scandal broke. Moral of the story. Doping is fine. Doping and bribery very very bad!

Meanwhile Paula (Seb's nominee for the IAAF's athlete's commission no less) shows there is no argument that she can't get on the wrong side of. The bizarre new testo rules aimed soley at Caster were toast from the moment they were published...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/43995246
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Re:

06 May 2018 08:12


Haha. Thanks for mocking that joke of a poll.
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Re: Re:

06 May 2018 09:27

The Hitch wrote:

Haha. Thanks for mocking that joke of a poll.


With so much naivety of display Mo still made it up to 44% :eek:
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