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Re: Dumoulin.

04 Jun 2017 11:19

Both Vuelta stages wins were when he was 22 years old first year pro riding his first GT.

And to be blunt, I don't see why it should be Barguil's issue alone that his results have seemingly not improved much since his second pro year.

Well, apart from the obvious wish from certain posters for him to either leave the team, or give up most of his own ambitions.
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04 Jun 2017 15:33

Zinoviev Letter wrote:
Eviter wrote:It is a long story,


Whoever decided that Dumoulin rather than Barguil was the GC prospect to bet on seems at this point to have been proven 100% correct. Still though, the idea that Barguil "doesn't get chances any more" when he is their Tour leader just seems bizarre. Sure he will get bad support, but Dumoulin also got bad support and Kelderman will too. They simply don't have good support to offer a GC man unless they decide to concentrate on one GT with two of these guys riding for the third. Even the biggest fan of Barguil could hardly imagine that it would be the other two riding for him if they did that though.

What's the complaint here supposed to be? That a guy whose best GT result is eighth in a Vuelta doesn't have undisputed leadership over an entire WT team?


Although I agree he needs to be put in...a place (let that be clear, my point was that he doesn't know his place yet) he is a potential French malliot blanc Tour winner of a WT tour team that will get Oomen as best domestique. Seems a little harsh, then just be honest with him about Dumoulin.

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:Barguil had 2 chances with full support. Even from Dumoulin who rode him up to the front in mountain stages in the Tour.
Everytime Barguil didn't get further than top 15. He had full support from Dumoulin again in LBL, but dropped earlier and in the end Matthews turned out to be the strongest.

Complaining about support is hilarious anyway because it's the only way to become al eader in a GT, to go to Sunweb a few years ago when they had no climbers. Dumoulin had no support in the Vuelta 15 and almost no support this Giro (after Kelderman was gone), still did it. Barguil has no grounds to complain


Dumoulin admitted in one stage in the TDF he had no orders to support him uphill, he just helped him between the mountains on the occasion.

The problem I elaborated on is not the lack of support, it is the fact he was promised it. We are talking about a guy who took the mountain, sprint and general overall of l'avenir at 20 y.o. He won't let this go down that easily.
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Re: Dumoulin.

04 Jun 2017 21:56

roundabout wrote:Both Vuelta stages wins were when he was 22 years old first year pro riding his first GT.

And to be blunt, I don't see why it should be Barguil's issue alone that his results have seemingly not improved much since his second pro year.

Well, apart from the obvious wish from certain posters for him to either leave the team, or give up most of his own ambitions.


I like Barguil and I haven't adopted a vicarious Dutch nationalism. But I don't see how a rider who hasn't won a race since 2013 and has only one half decent GT GC result, eighth in a Vuelta, has been mistreated by a team that continuously gives him the leader's role in many major races each year despite his lack of results. It seems to me that they've been very loyal to him and given him a great deal of leeway because of the very promising results he had 3 to 5 years ago. They haven't built a team around him, but he hasn't done anything in years to suggest that doing that would be wise. I still think he's a big talent but let's be honest about it: it's hard to see any other WT team sending a rider who has so little GC record to the Tour de France as undisputed leader. Barguil should be grateful, not upset that his domestiques aren't great. He's 25 now and still dining out on his results as a 21-22 year old.

Let's see him show something as a GC rider, then he can reasonably demand better support.
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