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04 Jul 2018 13:43

zlev11 wrote:hahahaha a 97.5 vo2 max, there has literally never been anyone with a vo2 max that high


One person.

Although according to Freeman “a top cyclist might” have one that high :cool:
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Re: Team Sky and BC Books.

04 Jul 2018 13:45

his maths ain't that good either...he thinks a third from 450 is 100

bloomin eck...was he involved in counting froome's puffs???????????????????????????????????? :D :D
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Re: Re:

04 Jul 2018 16:00

thehog wrote:
zlev11 wrote:hahahaha a 97.5 vo2 max, there has literally never been anyone with a vo2 max that high


One person.

Although according to Freeman “a top cyclist might” have one that high :cool:


I think he's just used Oskar Svendse as the top example, because he's the cyclist at the moment with highest ever recorded VO2. Next is Kurt Asle Arvesen, Chris Froome and Greg Lemond both around 93 iirc.
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04 Jul 2018 16:09

samhocking wrote:
thehog wrote:
zlev11 wrote:hahahaha a 97.5 vo2 max, there has literally never been anyone with a vo2 max that high


One person.

Although according to Freeman “a top cyclist might” have one that high :cool:


I think he's just used Oskar Svendse as the top example, because he's the cyclist at the moment with highest ever recorded VO2. Next is Kurt Asle Arvesen, Chris Froome and Greg Lemond both around 93 iirc.


You read minds now? :cool:
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04 Jul 2018 16:32

Surprised Freeman's book didn't open with "Once upon a time........"
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Re: Re:

04 Jul 2018 16:41

thehog wrote:
samhocking wrote:
thehog wrote:
zlev11 wrote:hahahaha a 97.5 vo2 max, there has literally never been anyone with a vo2 max that high


One person.

Although according to Freeman “a top cyclist might” have one that high :cool:


I think he's just used Oskar Svendse as the top example, because he's the cyclist at the moment with highest ever recorded VO2. Next is Kurt Asle Arvesen, Chris Froome and Greg Lemond both around 93 iirc.


You read minds now? :cool:
A cheap ghost, not knowing much about the subject, will fill in blanks with Googling. So when explaining how high VO2 Max can go, a cheap ghost would Google something like, I don't know, vo2 max cyclist highest. And high up the first page of responses would be VO2 max World Records - Topend Sports, where you will find Oskar Svendsen and his 97.5. The very figure the ghost used here.

You don't have to be a mind reader to be able to work this out. All you need is a brain and access to Google.
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04 Jul 2018 17:21

fmk_RoI wrote:
thehog wrote:
samhocking wrote:
thehog wrote:
zlev11 wrote:hahahaha a 97.5 vo2 max, there has literally never been anyone with a vo2 max that high


One person.

Although according to Freeman “a top cyclist might” have one that high :cool:


I think he's just used Oskar Svendse as the top example, because he's the cyclist at the moment with highest ever recorded VO2. Next is Kurt Asle Arvesen, Chris Froome and Greg Lemond both around 93 iirc.


You read minds now? :cool:
A cheap ghost, not knowing much about the subject, will fill in blanks with Googling. So when explaining how high VO2 Max can go, a cheap ghost would Google something like, I don't know, vo2 max cyclist highest. And high up the first page of responses would be VO2 max World Records - Topend Sports, where you will find Oskar Svendsen and his 97.5. The very figure the ghost used here.

You don't have to be a mind reader to be able to work this out. All you need is a brain and access to Google.


Richard Freeman and the cheap ghost :cool: Sam won’t be happy with that depiction.
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Re: Team Sky and BC Books.

04 Jul 2018 17:27

Another book in the long history of quality Team Sky and BC literature.


How they can sell this crap with a straight face is beyond me.
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Re: Team Sky and BC Books.

05 Jul 2018 01:42

LaFlorecita wrote:Another book in the long history of quality Team Sky and BC literature.


How they can sell this crap with a straight face is beyond me.

They also dope their PR people?
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05 Jul 2018 02:11

fmk_RoI wrote:
thehog wrote:
samhocking wrote:
thehog wrote:
zlev11 wrote:hahahaha a 97.5 vo2 max, there has literally never been anyone with a vo2 max that high


One person.

Although according to Freeman “a top cyclist might” have one that high :cool:


I think he's just used Oskar Svendse as the top example, because he's the cyclist at the moment with highest ever recorded VO2. Next is Kurt Asle Arvesen, Chris Froome and Greg Lemond both around 93 iirc.


You read minds now? :cool:
A cheap ghost, not knowing much about the subject, will fill in blanks with Googling. So when explaining how high VO2 Max can go, a cheap ghost would Google something like, I don't know, vo2 max cyclist highest. And high up the first page of responses would be VO2 max World Records - Topend Sports, where you will find Oskar Svendsen and his 97.5. The very figure the ghost used here.

You don't have to be a mind reader to be able to work this out. All you need is a brain and access to Google.


i used google and it told me Bjorn Daehlie had the highest ever recorded at 96. so maybe you should tell google their results are wrong. the point is that "top cyclists (plural)" do not have a 97.5 vo2 max.
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05 Jul 2018 05:28

Freeman's actual words were
"A top cyclist might have one of 97.5"
Given a junior cyclist has one of 97.5 already and was a World Champion, I think we can understand a top cyclist 'might' have one of 97.5 too?
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05 Jul 2018 07:49

zlev11 wrote:i used google and it told me Bjorn Daehlie had the highest ever recorded at 96. so maybe you should tell google their results are wrong.
What search parameters did you use and what link did you click?
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05 Jul 2018 08:02

fmk_RoI wrote:
zlev11 wrote:i used google and it told me Bjorn Daehlie had the highest ever recorded at 96. so maybe you should tell google their results are wrong.
What search parameters did you use and what link did you click?


Just testing the theory....

Here you go, from google, took me less than 30 seconds. End of discussion, you're welcome

https://www.topendsports.com/testing/records/vo2max.htm
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05 Jul 2018 08:07

samhocking wrote:
thehog wrote:
zlev11 wrote:hahahaha a 97.5 vo2 max, there has literally never been anyone with a vo2 max that high


One person.

Although according to Freeman “a top cyclist might” have one that high :cool:


I think he's just used Oskar Svendse as the top example, because he's the cyclist at the moment with highest ever recorded VO2. Next is Kurt Asle Arvesen, Chris Froome and Greg Lemond both around 93 iirc.


Has Froome ever been recorded anywhere near 93 Sam?
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05 Jul 2018 08:29

I've read 93 in a couple of places but on more investigation, most mentions of him say 84.6 (88.2 in his Tour de France condition). Either way, near the top of the class.
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05 Jul 2018 08:38

samhocking wrote:I've read 93 in a couple of places but on more investigation, most mentions of him say 84.6 (88.2 in his Tour de France condition). Either way, near the top of the class.


Thanks, that's the figures I've seen too; important to be precise, otherwise you know how it looks ;)
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05 Jul 2018 08:57

samhocking wrote:Freeman's actual words were
"A top cyclist might have one of 97.5"
Given a junior cyclist has one of 97.5 already and was a World Champion, I think we can understand a top cyclist 'might' have one of 97.5 too?


That is an incredibly dishonest interpretation of the English of that sentence.
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05 Jul 2018 09:03

samhocking wrote:I've read 93 in a couple of places but on more investigation, most mentions of him say 84.6 (88.2 in his Tour de France condition). Either way, near the top of the class.


80.2 in fact.
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05 Jul 2018 11:30

King Boonen wrote:
samhocking wrote:Freeman's actual words were
"A top cyclist might have one of 97.5"
Given a junior cyclist has one of 97.5 already and was a World Champion, I think we can understand a top cyclist 'might' have one of 97.5 too?


That is an incredibly dishonest interpretation of the English of that sentence.
One of the problems with cheap ghosts is shoddy language and a need to convince you of their expertise with undue precision. A wiser writer would simply have said that VO2 Max ranges from the 50s to the 90s and would not have bothered trying to con the reader with the false precision of one place of decimals. Bullshitting is easy to spot when people play with numbers they barely understand. But you get what you pay for. You could call it dumbed down. But if you were honest you'd just call it dumb.
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05 Jul 2018 11:34

Bronstein wrote:
samhocking wrote:I've read 93 in a couple of places but on more investigation, most mentions of him say 84.6 (88.2 in his Tour de France condition). Either way, near the top of the class.


80.2 in fact.
Esquire gave it as 84.6 adjusted to 88.2. It really is a rather meaningless number on its own and a very poor way of ranking athletes. One might as well measure the length of their index finger.
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