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15 Jun 2017 13:32

'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

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15 Jun 2017 13:45

Lots of strawman arguments floating around but here is my guess... motors are around, but in general they're good for ~50-100 watts for ~15-30 minutes. They may be capable of 200+ watt bursts but then you'll run out of juice much quicker.

Motor use beyond that is generally frowned upon as it will make the cyclist look like a motorcyclist (or Cancellara in the 2010 Paris-Roubaix and Ronde van Vlaanderen).
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15 Jun 2017 13:47

The corollary is that motor use is best utilized in the time trial, where it can take you from performing at Contador/Nibali/Valverde level to smashing guys like Martin/Castroviejo/Dumoulin/Dennis.
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15 Jun 2017 14:15

ebandit wrote:'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

Mark L


Well if you plotted on a graph that no one actually tests positive anymore and climbing times have remained relatively the same as the EPO era, what does at tell you?
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15 Jun 2017 17:03

thehog wrote:
ebandit wrote:'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

Mark L


Well if you plotted on a graph that no one actually tests positive anymore and climbing times have remained relatively the same as the EPO era, what does at tell you?

That the "graph" lost weight.
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15 Jun 2017 17:48

Semper Fidelis wrote:
thehog wrote:
ebandit wrote:'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

Mark L


Well if you plotted on a graph that no one actually tests positive anymore and climbing times have remained relatively the same as the EPO era, what does at tell you?

That the "graph" lost weight.


Pavement technology keeps improving. Today's asphalt is technically superior to anything available in the 90's.

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15 Jun 2017 18:38

ScienceIsCool wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
thehog wrote:
ebandit wrote:'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

Mark L


Well if you plotted on a graph that no one actually tests positive anymore and climbing times have remained relatively the same as the EPO era, what does at tell you?

That the "graph" lost weight.


Pavement technology keeps improving. Today's asphalt is technically superior to anything available in the 90's.

John Swanson

Is it recycled pavement? That technology adds significant weight to the climbing times.
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15 Jun 2017 19:10

Maybe they can do an "A" sample and a "B" sample for 'testing positive for motor doping.'
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15 Jun 2017 19:21

Semper Fidelis wrote:
thehog wrote:
ebandit wrote:'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

Mark L


Well if you plotted on a graph that no one actually tests positive anymore and climbing times have remained relatively the same as the EPO era, what does at tell you?

That the "graph" lost weight.



Yes, the engine was always there, they all just lost the fat.
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15 Jun 2017 19:22

ScienceIsCool wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
thehog wrote:
ebandit wrote:'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

Mark L


Well if you plotted on a graph that no one actually tests positive anymore and climbing times have remained relatively the same as the EPO era, what does at tell you?

That the "graph" lost weight.


Pavement technology keeps improving. Today's asphalt is technically superior to anything available in the 90's.

John Swanson



The pavement just needed to improve its bike handling skills.
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15 Jun 2017 22:28

thehog wrote:
ScienceIsCool wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
thehog wrote:
ebandit wrote:'cos i seriously don't believe that motors are commonly used by any riders........let alone ALL

imagine? if 90% of the peloton had motors + 'current preparation'.........climbing times would

be completely recalibrated

Mark L


Well if you plotted on a graph that no one actually tests positive anymore and climbing times have remained relatively the same as the EPO era, what does at tell you?

That the "graph" lost weight.


Pavement technology keeps improving. Today's asphalt is technically superior to anything available in the 90's.

John Swanson



The pavement just needed to improve its bike handling skills.


The pavement just needed to lose some weight? Low-fat asphalt?! :)
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15 Jun 2017 23:23

Pavement is the new "marginal Gain" not just the norm but the recycled low weight power pavement.
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16 Jun 2017 07:46

DanielSong39 wrote:The corollary is that motor use is best utilized in the time trial, where it can take you from performing at Contador/Nibali/Valverde level to smashing guys like Martin/Castroviejo/Dumoulin/Dennis.

This just makes me wonder about 2005/2006 Ivan Basso ... Don't know why he would have quit though.
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16 Jun 2017 18:21

Semper Fidelis wrote:Pavement is the new "marginal Gain" not just the norm but the recycled low weight power pavement.

Sky was the first to train on pavement.

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16 Jun 2017 20:06

Semper Fidelis wrote:Pavement is the new "marginal Gain" not just the norm but the recycled low weight power pavement.


Not to argue but just makes me recall how people argued the pavement was smoother when Armstrong went nuclear up Hautacam. Those who want to believe will find a way...
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16 Jun 2017 20:08

Semper Fidelis wrote:Pavement is the new "marginal Gain" not just the norm but the recycled low weight power pavement.

Don't forget to mention that the pavement is pervious, which helps lower rolling resistance between the special pavement and Sky's patented rounder wheels...
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17 Jun 2017 07:17

The pavement is pervious? Ridiculous. Windy mountain was indeed caused by a special sky road construction project where a moving carpet was placed down, it looked exactly like the asphalt, but moved with Chris up the hill. Look at the video, see how he rides slightly to the left of everyone else.
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17 Jun 2017 10:51

I'm watching yesterday's racing this morning. Route du Sud, 17.4km remaining, on-board camera shows the camera-carrier constantly stroking/pressing something with his thumb. I would suggest that the explanation is innocent (no-one would volunteer to take on a camera if they intent pressing a switch within view of said camera).

Anything to be extrapolated from that to the Froome footage?
(Those who have already decided they mistrust Froome will say it is irrelevant, anyone minded to defend him will say this is clear evidence that such behaviour is totally normal)
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17 Jun 2017 11:44

You should post the video then.
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17 Jun 2017 14:16

Random Direction wrote:The pavement is pervious? Ridiculous. Windy mountain was indeed caused by a special sky road construction project where a moving carpet was placed down, it looked exactly like the asphalt, but moved with Chris up the hill. Look at the video, see how he rides slightly to the left of everyone else.

Of course it's ridiculous, it was meant to be a joke. :rolleyes:
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