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15 Dec 2017 19:06

red_flanders wrote:
jmdirt wrote:So does the CF news weaken the motor argument? If motors are as 'advanced' as some people are asserting why would he need to OD on chemicals?

Before you even go there, IMO motors exist and have been used in the platoon, they just aren't as magical as many profess (read upthread for my too many opinions:)).


Yes and no, in my view. Yes, it weakens the arguments regarding of the prevalence of motors and the notions of how much riders may be relying on them. No, it doesn't explain some of the fairly obvious uses of motors we've seen which don't seem to have any other explanation.

But I've always thought this thread was irrational and paranoid more than it was on-point, so it may just be confirmation bias on my part. Obviously motors are a thing. Seeing them every time someone puts in a hard acceleration or has a mechanical starts to look dumb.


It's also true that people are getting trolled for suspecting a motor when someone puts in a hard acceleration that does not cause the bike to sway, accelerates around a hairpin while remaining perfectly upright, accelerates on a flat without pedaling at all, or blows everyone away the day after bonking and losing time.

Some skepticism is healthy but it should have some limits.
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Re: Motor doping thread

19 Dec 2017 20:11

oops! forgot about the language restriction...
Apparently two French judges, Claire Thépaut and Serge Tournaire, are investigating the subject of well known riders who may have benefitted from the latest technological advances in the field of electric motors
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20 Dec 2017 20:05

https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Dopage-mecanique-deux-juges-francais-enquetent-sur-les-moteurs-selon-le-canard-enchaine/860922

Un front judiciaire est aussi ouvert depuis quelques mois, annonce Le Canard enchaîné dans son édition de mercredi : à la suite d'une enquête préliminaire du parquet financier, les juges d'instruction Claire Thépaut et Serge Tournaire ont été nommés l'été dernier pour enquêter sur le sujet.

« Appuyés par la division des infractions financières de la gendarmerie, ils épluchent les liens entre équipes internationales, sociétés privées et hautes instances du cyclisme», explique Le Canard enchaîné. Selon l'hebdomadaire, les deux juges soupçonnent «un pacte de corruption scellé au plus haut niveau international» qui aurait «profité à de très grands coureurs» : «Il leur aurait permis de bénéficier des dernières avancées technologiques en matière de... moteurs électriques.

Google translate:
A judicial front is also open for a few months, announces Le Canard chained in its edition of Wednesday: following a preliminary investigation of the prosecutor's office, the judges of instruction Claire Thépaut and Serge Tournaire were named last summer for investigate the subject.

"Supported by the financial crimes division of the gendarmerie, they peel links between international teams, private companies and high authorities of cycling," says Le Canard chained. According to the weekly, the two judges suspect "a corruption pact sealed at the highest international level" that would have "benefited very great runners": "It would have allowed them to benefit from the latest technological advances in terms of ... engines electric.
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20 Dec 2017 20:24

Canard Enchaine is rarely wrong about these things. If their sources say there is an investigation, there probably is.

If Serge Tournaire is part of it, that's also huge. He is the judge who was in charge of the investigations into political figures like Fillon (the make-work jobs for his family that derailed his campaign this year) and Sarkozy and, I think, the Tapie affair. Following the money is his speciality.
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Re: Motor doping thread

20 Dec 2017 22:52

The French really want their Tour back this week. First Froome's leaked AAF ahead of UCI's final decision, MPCC demanding he is suspended outside the rules and now French Magistrates looking for Varjas's watermelon sized motors squeezed into a tiny Shimano C50 hub lol!
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20 Dec 2017 23:12

Un front judiciaire est aussi ouvert depuis quelques mois, annonce Le Canard enchaîné dans son édition de mercredi : à la suite d'une enquête préliminaire du parquet financier, les juges d'instruction Claire Thépaut et Serge Tournaire ont été nommés l'été dernier pour enquêter sur le sujet.
« Appuyés par la division des infractions financières de la gendarmerie, ils épluchent les liens entre équipes internationales, sociétés privées et hautes instances du cyclisme», explique Le Canard enchaîné. Selon l'hebdomadaire, les deux juges soupçonnent «un pacte de corruption scellé au plus haut niveau international» qui aurait «profité à de très grands coureurs» : «Il leur aurait permis de bénéficier des dernières avancées technologiques en matière de... moteurs électriques.

Google translate:
A judicial front is also open for a few months, announces Le Canard chained in its edition of Wednesday: following a preliminary investigation of the prosecutor's office, the judges of instruction Claire Thépaut and Serge Tournaire were named last summer for investigate the subject.
"Supported by the financial crimes division of the gendarmerie, they peel links between international teams, private companies and high authorities of cycling," says Le Canard chained. According to the weekly, the two judges suspect "a corruption pact sealed at the highest international level" that would have "benefited very great runners": "It would have allowed them to benefit from the latest technological advances in terms of ... engines electric.


Luigi Translate:

A judicial front has also been open for a few months, Le Canard Enchaîné announced in its Wednesday edition. Following a preliminary investigation by the Financial Prosecuting Service, magistrates Claire Thépaut and Serge Tournaire were assigned last summer to investigate the subject.

"Supported by the financial crimes division of the police, they are sifting through links exposed between international teams, private companies and high authorities of cycling," Le Canard Enchaîné explains. According to the weekly magazine, the two judges suspect "a corruption pact sealed at the highest international level" that would have "benefited very prominent riders": "It would have allowed them to benefit from the latest technological advances in the area of electric motors."

coureurs = riders (racing cyclists), not runners. Track runners can also be coureurs but it means bike riders in this case
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21 Dec 2017 00:58

Unless the investigations focus on Cancellara and Froome it's impossible to take them seriously.
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Re: Motor doping thread

21 Dec 2017 01:08

samhocking wrote:The French really want their Tour back this week. First Froome's leaked AAF ahead of UCI's final decision, MPCC demanding he is suspended outside the rules and now French Magistrates looking for Varjas's watermelon sized motors squeezed into a tiny Shimano C50 hub lol!

The Guardian is French now?
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21 Dec 2017 02:35

ClassicomanoLuigi wrote:
Un front judiciaire est aussi ouvert depuis quelques mois, annonce Le Canard enchaîné dans son édition de mercredi : à la suite d'une enquête préliminaire du parquet financier, les juges d'instruction Claire Thépaut et Serge Tournaire ont été nommés l'été dernier pour enquêter sur le sujet.
« Appuyés par la division des infractions financières de la gendarmerie, ils épluchent les liens entre équipes internationales, sociétés privées et hautes instances du cyclisme», explique Le Canard enchaîné. Selon l'hebdomadaire, les deux juges soupçonnent «un pacte de corruption scellé au plus haut niveau international» qui aurait «profité à de très grands coureurs» : «Il leur aurait permis de bénéficier des dernières avancées technologiques en matière de... moteurs électriques.

Google translate:
A judicial front is also open for a few months, announces Le Canard chained in its edition of Wednesday: following a preliminary investigation of the prosecutor's office, the judges of instruction Claire Thépaut and Serge Tournaire were named last summer for investigate the subject.
"Supported by the financial crimes division of the gendarmerie, they peel links between international teams, private companies and high authorities of cycling," says Le Canard chained. According to the weekly, the two judges suspect "a corruption pact sealed at the highest international level" that would have "benefited very great runners": "It would have allowed them to benefit from the latest technological advances in terms of ... engines electric.


Luigi Translate:

A judicial front has also been open for a few months, Le Canard Enchaîné announced in its Wednesday edition. Following a preliminary investigation by the Financial Prosecuting Service, magistrates Claire Thépaut and Serge Tournaire were assigned last summer to investigate the subject.

"Supported by the financial crimes division of the police, they are sifting through links exposed between international teams, private companies and high authorities of cycling," Le Canard Enchaîné explains. According to the weekly magazine, the two judges suspect "a corruption pact sealed at the highest international level" that would have "benefited very prominent riders": "It would have allowed them to benefit from the latest technological advances in the area of electric motors."

coureurs = riders (racing cyclists), not runners. Track runners can also be coureurs but it means bike riders in this case


Wow. That could be major.
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21 Dec 2017 03:34

Thanks for the Luigi translate Classico, it's awesome
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21 Dec 2017 06:48

sittingbison wrote:Thanks for the Luigi translate Classico, it's awesome

ditto
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Re: Motor doping thread

21 Dec 2017 17:54

Good work Brian.... :rolleyes:

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Re: Motor doping thread

21 Dec 2017 18:07

:o
thehog wrote:Good work Brian.... :rolleyes:
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Pretty good, but that's not a literal translation, has some paraphrasing and omissions, some of which were:

- They skipped éplucher because they couldn't think of how to translate the French idiomatic verb
- "top authorities" is wrong, that's not what the original says - "topmost" is not the same as merely "high"
- "prominent riders" is actually "very prominent riders" in the original
- etc.

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Re: Motor doping thread

21 Dec 2017 19:05

samhocking wrote:The French really want their Tour back this week. First Froome's leaked AAF ahead of UCI's final decision, MPCC demanding he is suspended outside the rules and now French Magistrates looking for Varjas's watermelon sized motors squeezed into a tiny Shimano C50 hub lol!


I think maybe sporting fraud is a serious issue for the French in their premier event that has huge implications.

Pretty normal to want to do something about that.
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21 Dec 2017 22:55

I've got no problem with that. They just need to work on the timings to make it a bit less obvious!
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21 Dec 2017 23:13

Nothing has been written on the timing, we have just learnt that they are investigating motor doping since ????
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28 Dec 2017 14:08

I know it as been discussed here already, but this appears to be new article.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/01/news/cbs-news-12-riders-used-motorized-bikes-in-the-2015-tour_429741
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28 Dec 2017 14:19

veganrob wrote:I know it as been discussed here already, but this appears to be new article.

http://www.velonews.com/2017/01/news/cbs-news-12-riders-used-motorized-bikes-in-the-2015-tour_429741



new? January 30, 2017. it's the end of the year with the most read articles of 2017
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28 Dec 2017 15:45

Ok. The date on Velonews FB said today.
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28 Dec 2017 18:56

According to the front page, Ricco says he'll race again after his ban, but he would never use motors. Which mean that there 6 of them in his hub alone. He built five of them and half are rusty.

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