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Re: Motor doping thread

26 May 2018 15:20

Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.
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26 May 2018 15:43

So the mystery of Contadors erratic shifts in form during the Vuelta 17 are solved too now.
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26 May 2018 16:28

LOL, Contador is one of the top suspected motor users.
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26 May 2018 16:34

The fridge in the blue trees wrote:So the mystery of Contadors erratic shifts in form during the Vuelta 17 are solved too now.

Obviously his performance throughout that Vuelta is highly suspect. I don't think his form changed as much as Froome's in this Giro (discounting the Andorra stage in which he suffered from gastrointestinal issues), he was consistently strong on short, steep climbs and suffered a bit on the longer climbs. He clearly got stronger after the 2nd rest day but that can be explained by other doping methods as well.
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Re: Motor doping thread

26 May 2018 16:38

LaFlorecita wrote:
Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.

You forgot to put a :rolleyes: or a tongue-in-cheek emoti.

Just for fun: 1) a natural coming into form, 2) a less than natural coming into form. I don't know about erratic though, he just seemed to get better as the race went on (especially relative to most others), won Zoncolan, showed the effects of his effort the next day, but then improved (same as above parenthesis) from there.

I'm not defending CF, but in a clinic free world this type of thing happens. Now we could debate the existence of a clinic free world... :lol:
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Re: Motor doping thread

26 May 2018 16:55

LaFlorecita wrote:
Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.


Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.
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Re: Motor doping thread

26 May 2018 17:09

Arked wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.


Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

I don't believe what the UCI tells us. Lappartient said it, if someone is caught using a motor, the sport is dead. So no one gets caught.
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Re: Motor doping thread

26 May 2018 17:15

Arked wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.


Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

Everyones on an ebike.
UCI testing is ****.
When the battery goes pop, you go pop.
Like Yates, Pinot and Chaves. Its all pre-determined.
Testing is ****.
#JK
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SeriousSam wrote: Peña Cabarga is like Froome's Mount Doom, the place where his great power was forged into fearsome weapon. He was never going to lose here
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26 May 2018 17:16

Why would anyone believe the UCI on this? How about they check the bikes on TV or at least release a video of them doing it So we can all see it.
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Re: Motor doping thread

26 May 2018 17:23

silvergrenade wrote:
Arked wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.


Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

Everyones on an ebike.
UCI testing is ****.
When the battery goes pop, you go pop.
Like Yates, Pinot and Chaves. Its all pre-determined.
Testing is ****.
#JK
:lol:


Glad you finally understand.

Unless you can prove different, we know testing is ****.
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26 May 2018 17:25

Craigee wrote:Why would anyone believe the UCI on this? How about they check the bikes on TV or at least release a video of them doing it So we can all see it.


If Lappartient was going to be any different from his predecessors he would've done a heck of a lot more re the whole sport including doping and motors. He is just another Verbruggen, McQuaid, Cookson etc.....
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Re: Motor doping thread

26 May 2018 17:25

Benotti69 wrote:
silvergrenade wrote:
Arked wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.


Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.

Everyones on an ebike.
UCI testing is ****.
When the battery goes pop, you go pop.
Like Yates, Pinot and Chaves. Its all pre-determined.
Testing is ****.
#JK
:lol:


Glad you finally understand.

Unless you can prove different, we know testing is ****.

Thanks Benotti. Your knowledge here on the clinic has gone past my earlier stubborn mind.
I agree that everyone is on an ebike.
Cheers to ebikes. :lol: :)
SeriousSam wrote: Peña Cabarga is like Froome's Mount Doom, the place where his great power was forged into fearsome weapon. He was never going to lose here
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26 May 2018 19:42

Craigee wrote:Why would anyone believe the UCI on this? How about they check the bikes on TV or at least release a video of them doing it So we can all see it.

I think that there was media present. If that is the case, maybe we'll see a story or at least a tweet from one of them. The conspiracy people among us can/will say that those media were plants though.
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27 May 2018 12:27

Lapartient knows that the roof will fall in if a top rider is proven to be using a motor. Circ was 2013 and was quite clear that motors were in use.

The technology is all there if they wanted to catch some riders. Years ago Stade Two had a motorbike with IR camera. A glowing bottom 4” of seat tube – how the hell can anyone explain that – a hot drink stored in a secret extra water bottle location ? How easy would it have been to have a couple of motorbikes following Friday's stage and showing live IR footage from the bikes ? A few static IR cameras at key locations on hiarpins where the lead riders go round in near single file. It is dead easy. The fact that it is so easy and yet we had years of obfuscation with IPads that didn't work and all sorts of BS, as every little pathetic increment of detection technology was telegraphed months in advance so teams could react, tells us very clearly. The authorities know about the problem, they have the means to solve it but cannot solve it.

Why can't they solve it ? That is the critical question. It just has to be because some in authority are so compromised, to do so would bring the whole show to an end and that is not in anyone’s interest.
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Re: Motor doping thread

27 May 2018 12:43

Arked wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:
Arked wrote:There was no motor involved yesterday. Stop making fools of yourselves. Have some standards.

It's the easiest way to explain his erratic shifts in form.


Yeah. Making up some conspiracy theories is always easy.

Froomes bike was checked with x-ray. It didn't have a motor. Period. Deal with it. With current control methods, scrutiny and media fixation on the topic it's impossible to use moto doping on the World Tour level.


Yes that is how they caught Armstrong with controlled methods, scrutiny and media fixation.

:lol:
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27 May 2018 13:07

We also have to consider the implications of a rider like Froome getting caught with a motor in 2018. The guy has been tearing it up for seven years and has won a handful of Grand Tours after a miraculous transformation, but he only started using motors recently? Nope. That doesn't wash. If he gets caught with a motor UCI has to answer for why they couldn't find a motor in his bike during all those alleged bike checks.

If Froome gets caught using a motor, every ounce of logic and common sense says that he has been doing it for several years and that the UCI have either not checked for motors or have done, but turned a blind eye to them being used. It's a charade that has gone on for too long, and UCI know that they will be directly implicated if motor use gets exposed. It might not be the downfall of cycling as a sport, but it will be the downfall of UCI as its governing body.
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27 May 2018 13:20

Saint Unix wrote:We also have to consider the implications of a rider like Froome getting caught with a motor in 2018. The guy has been tearing it up for seven years and has won a handful of Grand Tours after a miraculous transformation, but he only started using motors recently? Nope. That doesn't wash. If he gets caught with a motor UCI has to answer for why they couldn't find a motor in his bike during all those alleged bike checks.

If Froome gets caught using a motor, every ounce of logic and common sense says that he has been doing it for several years and that the UCI have either not checked for motors or have done, but turned a blind eye to them being used. It's a charade that has gone on for too long, and UCI know that they will be directly implicated if motor use gets exposed. It might not be the downfall of cycling as a sport, but it will be the downfall of UCI as its governing body.

So, they can tell him not to ride without making it public. Retire immediately. There have been syspicious retirements in sport for decades.
Happens in sport all the time.
But yeah, it really fits in with your version of events. So, UCI helps Froome by buying him his ebike. Right :lol:
SeriousSam wrote: Peña Cabarga is like Froome's Mount Doom, the place where his great power was forged into fearsome weapon. He was never going to lose here
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27 May 2018 13:39

So you're telling me that instead of covering up motor usage they would be covering up motor usage?

[insert stupid condescending laughing emoticon here]
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27 May 2018 13:42

Saint Unix wrote:So you're telling me that instead of covering up motor usage they would be covering up motor usage?

[insert stupid condescending laughing emoticon here]

What? :confused:
SeriousSam wrote: Peña Cabarga is like Froome's Mount Doom, the place where his great power was forged into fearsome weapon. He was never going to lose here
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27 May 2018 13:50

How is telling him to retire into obscurity to avoid a motor scandal any different from letting him ride with a motor without exposing him? In both cases a motor is being used, but they aren't letting the public know. In both cases Froome gets away with it. The only difference is Froome doesn't get to win more races in your scenario.

And your attitude sucks. Try to discuss topics with people without acting like a childish w*nker.
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